2023 Canadian Grand Prix - Circuit Gilles-Villeneuve - June 16 - 18

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Re: 2023 Canadian Grand Prix - Circuit Gilles-Villeneuve - June 16 - 18

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Russell may still have a go..


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organic wrote:
15 Jun 2023, 17:31
Russell may still have a go..

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It's a no brainer. Drivers take advantage where they can and won't if there isn't an avenue. Alonso did that in 2021 Russia after having studied the previous instances where Stewards didn't punish. Stewards take action or block the avenues would be only way to stop it. Good that they blocked taking away the possibility. I personally prefer to see gravel on the run off rather than grass or tarmac run offs. There should be a bigger penalty for mistakes.

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Re: 2023 Canadian Grand Prix - Circuit Gilles-Villeneuve - June 16 - 18

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What's stopping them from romping across the grass?

edit: grass will probably be water logged....
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organic wrote:
15 Jun 2023, 17:31
Russell may still have a go..

That’s an outstanding call. Well done, organizers. =D>
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For those situations (big stop, first corner, first lap etc) they should get the errant car further along to safely remove from incoming vehicle etc, then put a stop box for 1sec (as an example) to then rejoin safely after that.

Failure to comply, jumping the time signal etc would give uncontested/unarguable time penalty, say 5 or 10 secs.

I understand they don't want gravel, we want to see cars on the track racing, but it shouldn't be a free pass if they can't stay on track.

They all manage it on close barrier track position, there should be some level of automatic control for these situations in which they benefit from not being eliminated from race, but it reflects reality of not driving the track.

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Re: 2023 Canadian Grand Prix - Circuit Gilles-Villeneuve - June 16 - 18

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organic wrote:
15 Jun 2023, 16:03
RB and Aston Martin running quite high df. Alpine, Ferrari and Merc with quite low.

Beam wings unknown as of yet

I guess rb and am are going to try to make their drs trick more powerful by going high df. We'll see if it survives fp1

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cplchanb wrote:
15 Jun 2023, 19:43
organic wrote:
15 Jun 2023, 16:03
RB and Aston Martin running quite high df. Alpine, Ferrari and Merc with quite low.

Beam wings unknown as of yet

I guess rb and am are going to try to make their drs trick more powerful by going high df. We'll see if it survives fp1
Their "drs trick" doesn't really exist with their high downforce wing. The effect is mostly visible with the medium and low df wings.

I think there are other reasons for them choosing the high df. Rain possible, marginal 1-stopper.

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Wait. What? Doesn’t exist with high df wing??
OK, I’ll watch this weekend to see if RB and AM make zero inroads to other cars with drs deployed. I look forward to seeing if you are correct or incorrect.
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Re: 2023 Canadian Grand Prix - Circuit Gilles-Villeneuve - June 16 - 18

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RBR has a huge advantage in terms of efficiency. Fact that they're using a mid-high downforce wing tells that. If it rains, it will even be better for them. I expect AMR & Ferrari to be closer to RBR than Mercedes.
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I would not pay too much attention to the wings at this stage. Mercedes in particular usually change the wing they initially build the cars up with.

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With all the tech today ,could they not have a sensor to detect the track boundary and automatically put the car into pit lane limp mode... Then have gravel beyond that...
Self governing - no stewards... :idea:
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Re: 2023 Canadian Grand Prix - Circuit Gilles-Villeneuve - June 16 - 18

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F1Krof wrote:
16 Jun 2023, 08:55
RBR has a huge advantage in terms of efficiency. Fact that they're using a mid-high downforce wing tells that. If it rains, it will even be better for them. I expect AMR & Ferrari to be closer to RBR than Mercedes.
Mercedes ran the highest downforce wing in Suzuka during the rain last year but couldn't get past the Alpine whenever they pulled out of the slipstream. I feel the high DF wing is for tire management reasons.

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mendis wrote:
15 Jun 2023, 17:42
I personally prefer to see gravel on the run off rather than grass or tarmac run offs. There should be a bigger penalty for mistakes.
Ending the race stuck in gravel because you slightly outbraked of yourself, or even because someone pushes you wide, is excessive punishment. It leads to drivers not pushing and being even less likely to overtake. Ergo, worse for racing.

Also, gravel isn't that great at stopping cars - they often just skip across it - or it can cause them to roll over. Tarmac is usually better because a damaged car drags along losing energy and generally doesn't skip across in the air like it can on gravel.
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Re: 2023 Canadian Grand Prix - Circuit Gilles-Villeneuve - June 16 - 18

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Weather forecast now predicts a dry Sunday.... Saturday will still be a flood though

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Re: 2023 Canadian Grand Prix - Circuit Gilles-Villeneuve - June 16 - 18

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Weather forecast now predicts a dry Sunday.... Saturday will still be a flood though