2023 Canadian Grand Prix - Circuit Gilles-Villeneuve - June 16 - 18

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Re: 2023 Canadian Grand Prix - Circuit Gilles-Villeneuve - June 16 - 18

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Perez, Leclerc and Lance walk into a bar. "Hey, barman, can you turn on the TV, we want to watch Q3."

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organic wrote:
17 Jun 2023, 23:39
Perez, Leclerc and Lance walk into a bar. "Hey, barman, can you turn on the TV, we want to watch Q3."
very organic yoke LOL
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organic wrote:
17 Jun 2023, 23:36
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17 Jun 2023, 23:16
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17 Jun 2023, 23:09


Sector 3 was Alonso's worst compared to verstappen (generally speaking this weekend)
he had two purple segments that lap, but yeah, probably wouldn't have changed much

https://i.imgur.com/oa5GsxR.png
Perhaps not but yes, that does look like he would've been quite close to Max
He's 4 tenths off in first sector, and judging by relative S3 performance in previous laps I'd say Alonso wouldn't be that close to Verstappen, or at least not ahead of him.

Hulk will be dispatched in a few laps by alonso and both mercs and then the race will be on.

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Juzh wrote:
17 Jun 2023, 23:46
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17 Jun 2023, 23:36
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17 Jun 2023, 23:16


he had two purple segments that lap, but yeah, probably wouldn't have changed much

https://i.imgur.com/oa5GsxR.png
Perhaps not but yes, that does look like he would've been quite close to Max
He's 4 tenths off in first sector, and judging by relative S3 performance in previous laps I'd say Alonso wouldn't be that close to Verstappen, or at least not ahead of him.

Hulk will be dispatched in a few laps by alonso and both mercs and then the race will be on.
4 tenths off in S1, and only 5 thousandths of a second better than Max's S2. He'd have to have cut T10 to be anywhere close. The Aston is slow on the straights. S3 is his worst sector.
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So Perez has failed to make Q3 in 4/8 races in what is by far the fastest car on the grid, is it too late to put Danny in that car? Maybe a few Practice sessions to remind him he needs to pick up the pace.

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just checked again, Alonso lost 3 tenths to Verstappen the lap before in sector 3 indeed, despite setting a purple segment as well. So you're probably right.

Would have been 2nd if the red flag came out a bit later, and Norris probably 3rd. But that's about it.

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Juzh wrote:
17 Jun 2023, 23:46

Hulk will be dispatched in a few laps by alonso and both mercs and then the race will be on.
The race for P2 and P3, yes. P1 is already decided barring reliability.
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Just_a_fan wrote:
18 Jun 2023, 00:48
Juzh wrote:
17 Jun 2023, 23:46

Hulk will be dispatched in a few laps by alonso and both mercs and then the race will be on.
The race for P2 and P3, yes. P1 is already decided barring reliability.
Maybe. Max had slower race pace than Alonso in FP2. Admittedly they have changed a fair bit on the cars since then (different df config for max) but the signs are there that RB are not unbeatable anymore. They have scarcely upgraded the car compared to other teams.

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organic wrote:
18 Jun 2023, 01:13
Just_a_fan wrote:
18 Jun 2023, 00:48
Juzh wrote:
17 Jun 2023, 23:46

Hulk will be dispatched in a few laps by alonso and both mercs and then the race will be on.
The race for P2 and P3, yes. P1 is already decided barring reliability.
Maybe. Max had slower race pace than Alonso in FP2. Admittedly they have changed a fair bit on the cars since then (different df config for max) but the signs are there that RB are not unbeatable anymore. They have scarcely upgraded the car compared to other teams.
Going off of the end of Q2 when both Albon and Max had slicks and Max could barely keep up with Albon....RB have made a mess of the dry setup :lol: .
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organic wrote:
18 Jun 2023, 01:13
Just_a_fan wrote:
18 Jun 2023, 00:48
Juzh wrote:
17 Jun 2023, 23:46

Hulk will be dispatched in a few laps by alonso and both mercs and then the race will be on.
The race for P2 and P3, yes. P1 is already decided barring reliability.
Maybe. Max had slower race pace than Alonso in FP2. Admittedly they have changed a fair bit on the cars since then (different df config for max) but the signs are there that RB are not unbeatable anymore. They have scarcely upgraded the car compared to other teams.
When was the last time we saw RB19 a second ahead in FP2? Like they have shown when they get into race? FP2 has never been a good indicator of race order. I do think the competition might have cut down some deficit, but beating Max's RB19 isn't happening anytime soon. He would be more than half a second up on second placed driver in races. Perez would keep making mistakes and will have some messed up races and he would be vulnerable from the improved cars.

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Hulkenberg, tsunoda, Stroll all are given 3 place penalties. Sainz already has been given one.

Alonso starts P2. Hamilton and Russell occupy the 2nd row.



We may have the grid order by tomorrow

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matt_b wrote:
18 Jun 2023, 00:15
So Perez has failed to make Q3 in 4/8 races in what is by far the fastest car on the grid, is it too late to put Danny in that car? Maybe a few Practice sessions to remind him he needs to pick up the pace.


I think out of those 4 races, 3 were wet/drying track conditions, the other was a crash. It seems like he just cant get the tire temp in. Still bad performances but more easy to explain than missing q3 in a RB under dry conditions.

What is concerning is that he doesnt seem to learn from bad weekends. He has been facing wet/cold conditions now several weekends close together and he struggles the same way each time, while verstappen is showing what the car can do. Had there been 2 Perezs in the RBs we would have been talking about how bad the RB was in the rain.

Verstappen on the other hand learned from Miami. He now has solid bankers, and is the first one out every time, not waiting for flags to come out etc.

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Hulk will cause large field spread which will ruin Checo, Leclerc, Sainz's races back through. Now that he is starting p5 rather than P2, this will make it worse as it also releases the mercs and Alonso.

Maximum for those starting 10th ish probably is now p5 barring SC/Red flag intervention

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It somehow feels wrong that Sainz got the same penalty as some of the others coz he seemed to be an absolute menace out there. It was almost like he had no feedback from the team about track position.