I see Ferrari did a filming day today to test new Front Wing etc...
Would be nice if we do the same since it's the Stupid Sprint Nonsence again this weekend...
If I'm remembering right, the first upgrade, being the floor, was signed off by the Key led structure. The coming batches of upgrade are the first by Prod and the two Neils.proteus wrote: ↑27 Jun 2023, 15:39It will be a massive improvement if they manage to challenge Alpine for 5th. RedBull, Aston, Merc and Ferrari are out of range. My question is who is the father of these improvements, is it still Key or did Prodromou took over when they found out they are at the dead end?
Nothing would make me happier to see them in top 3 spot again, but modern F1 doesnt work this way. In the 90s with unlimited testing and money it would be possible, but today not so much.
Realistically, I would be happy with that (though in my heart of hearts I wish for them to be at the pointy end). If we're battling it out with Alpine, I think our drivers are a better pairing and can make a difference.
I read somewhere that this update is the first product of the new structure, without Key.Ground Effect wrote: ↑27 Jun 2023, 17:08If I'm remembering right, the first upgrade, being the floor, was signed off by the Key led structure. The coming batches of upgrade are the first by Prod and the two Neils.proteus wrote: ↑27 Jun 2023, 15:39It will be a massive improvement if they manage to challenge Alpine for 5th. RedBull, Aston, Merc and Ferrari are out of range. My question is who is the father of these improvements, is it still Key or did Prodromou took over when they found out they are at the dead end?
Nothing would make me happier to see them in top 3 spot again, but modern F1 doesnt work this way. In the 90s with unlimited testing and money it would be possible, but today not so much.
Very interested to see it guys for that very reason. The first glimpse of new ideas and direction.Balalu wrote: ↑27 Jun 2023, 22:02I read somewhere that this update is the first product of the new structure, without Key.Ground Effect wrote: ↑27 Jun 2023, 17:08If I'm remembering right, the first upgrade, being the floor, was signed off by the Key led structure. The coming batches of upgrade are the first by Prod and the two Neils.proteus wrote: ↑27 Jun 2023, 15:39It will be a massive improvement if they manage to challenge Alpine for 5th. RedBull, Aston, Merc and Ferrari are out of range. My question is who is the father of these improvements, is it still Key or did Prodromou took over when they found out they are at the dead end?
Nothing would make me happier to see them in top 3 spot again, but modern F1 doesnt work this way. In the 90s with unlimited testing and money it would be possible, but today not so much.
We may get some tomorrow, but even then, it will probably be snippets.
I disagree it would be a massive improvement necessary to beat Alpine. Greater performance consistency needs to be one goal as they have tended to be 5th to 9th at circuits, though this is part of that closeness of “the midfield”. Canada which was far from an outlier we were marginally quicker in race pace so there’s everything to play for even if the points difference looks bigger than the performance gap.proteus wrote: ↑27 Jun 2023, 15:39It will be a massive improvement if they manage to challenge Alpine for 5th. RedBull, Aston, Merc and Ferrari are out of range. My question is who is the father of these improvements, is it still Key or did Prodromou took over when they found out they are at the dead end?
Nothing would make me happier to see them in top 3 spot again, but modern F1 doesnt work this way. In the 90s with unlimited testing and money it would be possible, but today not so much.
BMMR61 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2023, 15:53I disagree it would be a massive improvement necessary to beat Alpine. Greater performance consistency needs to be one goal as they have tended to be 5th to 9th at circuits, though this is part of that closeness of “the midfield”. Canada which was far from an outlier we were marginally quicker in race pace so there’s everything to play for even if the points difference looks bigger than the performance gap.proteus wrote: ↑27 Jun 2023, 15:39It will be a massive improvement if they manage to challenge Alpine for 5th. RedBull, Aston, Merc and Ferrari are out of range. My question is who is the father of these improvements, is it still Key or did Prodromou took over when they found out they are at the dead end?
Nothing would make me happier to see them in top 3 spot again, but modern F1 doesnt work this way. In the 90s with unlimited testing and money it would be possible, but today not so much.
I got a clear impression that Key got the cold shoulder before the MCL60 launch as he wasn’t present. This aligns with the chat about fundamental concepts etc. Probably the last Key overseen development would be the floor introduced at Baku which was little more than a marginal improvement. There’s a real bullish attitude in the camp about the coming developments which will look silly if they don’t amount to improvement, I’d say I’m optimistic they will find a few tenths but more important they will find more correlation and understanding about the car. This helps find the sweet spot more quickly in FP but be wary that this is going to take a path through to the “summer break”. By this I mean there will be a lot of trial and error, not helped by the reduced practice at Austria. It’s easy to get prematurely excited about Austria prospects, a decent step may become obvious immediately but the full nature of the change in direction won’t be fully appreciated for 3-4 race weekends.
There’s the likelihood that we will see in this forum the unrealistic who think anything less than 0.5 seconds is a fail and continue the rowdy criticism of everything and everyone at McLaren. I’ve already written this season off as one of major personnel reforms, plus of course the arrival of the wind tunnel and simulation tools so eagerly awaited.
I don't think they would need Rob to implement a anti-dive suspension... Could probably see it in Hungary, its main purpose would be for aerodynamic gain.the EDGE wrote: ↑29 Jun 2023, 10:40I’m hoping they’ve moved to a higher anti-dive suspension set-up, like Merc have done. That may have to wait until 2024 though
During Ted’s notebook at Canada he mentioned he believed a deal had been done to bring Rob Marshall into the team earlier than January 2024, I wonder whether this is true or not, as we’ve not heard anything about it yet