2023 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, June 30 - July 02

[Just_a_fan]

wtf hulk?

On mediums as well. I think this some cars just wouldn't turn on their tyres. Basically everyone apart from RB/ver, norris and hulk it seems.

Verstappen will start 4th, I'm almost certain. They can't dig themselves out of this one.
Lec will be P9
Ham P20.

I don't think Lewis did anything wrong on this one

sure, sure. Go watch Ver's onboard without commentary, he's completely off throttle until very late corner exit as hamilton is just doodling on racing line, building a gap to the car ahead that was ending his lap anyway. If there's a penalty it should be for everyone (and lec) or no one.

If that's the case, the penalty should include whether it was done deliberately or not. So -3 for Ham, -10 for Ver would seem to be fair. And it might stop the childish revenge tactics in future.

[chrisc90]

The clipping into turn 3 was interesting. RB no clipping and Ferrari was Clipping at 125yards. Missed the others before I realised as they were on slow laps

[Sieper]

How does one explain the fluctuation of Ferrari? RB and McLaren remained similar.

It must be track temperature. Air density maybe.

[mendis]

wtf hulk?

On mediums as well. I think this some cars just wouldn't turn on their tyres. Basically everyone apart from RB/ver, norris and hulk it seems.

I don't think Lewis did anything wrong on this one

sure, sure. Go watch Ver's onboard without commentary, he's completely off throttle until very late corner exit as hamilton is just doodling on racing line, building a gap to the car ahead that was ending his lap anyway. If there's a penalty it should be for everyone (and lec) or no one.

If that's the case, the penalty should include whether it was done deliberately or not. So -3 for Ham, -10 for Ver would seem to be fair. And it might stop the childish revenge tactics in future.

You can't invent penalties. If, but, could, should cannot prove intent. Whatever is the penalty, if applicable as per the rules would be doled out.

[Juzh]

wtf hulk?

On mediums as well. I think this some cars just wouldn't turn on their tyres. Basically everyone apart from RB/ver, norris and hulk it seems.

I don't think Lewis did anything wrong on this one

sure, sure. Go watch Ver's onboard without commentary, he's completely off throttle until very late corner exit as hamilton is just doodling on racing line, building a gap to the car ahead that was ending his lap anyway. If there's a penalty it should be for everyone (and lec) or no one.

If that's the case, the penalty should include whether it was done deliberately or not. So -3 for Ham, -10 for Ver would seem to be fair. And it might stop the childish revenge tactics in future.

we'll see

[search]

Tyre update after the shootout (by myself - not 100% sure about the milage of some, but should be more or less accurate):



The sprint set will need to be returned afterwards, all others are kept for the race.

[falonso81]

If that was deliberate from Max and is penalized, it should be far more than 3 place drop.

[mendis]

If that was deliberate from Max and is penalized, it should be far more than 3 place drop.

How do they assess if it was deliberate? What are the provisions for a deliberate Vs non deliberate penalty?

[search]

I have no doubt it was deliberate, but can't really see how it's a penalty. There's basically no way to prove that VER didn't intend to do two hot laps in a row, which would obviously allow him to overtake Hamilton.

[Tvetovnato]

If that was deliberate from Max and is penalized, it should be far more than 3 place drop.

How do they assess if it was deliberate? What are the provisions for a deliberate Vs non deliberate penalty?

They could look at whether he went into recharge mode right after the SF line as most drivers usually do. If he did, it was slam dunk deliberate.

[Cs98]

If that was deliberate from Max and is penalized, it should be far more than 3 place drop.

How do they assess if it was deliberate? What are the provisions for a deliberate Vs non deliberate penalty?

They could look at whether he went into recharge mode right after the SF line as most drivers usually do. If he did, it was slam dunk deliberate.

Doubt he would have outdragged Lewis in recharge mode.

[Just_a_fan]

If that was deliberate from Max and is penalized, it should be far more than 3 place drop.

How do they assess if it was deliberate? What are the provisions for a deliberate Vs non deliberate penalty?

You look at the throttle trace and see flat out to drag past on the straight and then less than to be expected in the corner. Can't claim "I didn't know he was there" because he'd just overtaken him in to the corner before deliberately slowing down on the apex/exit.

It's entirely obvious that he deliberately went to mess up Hamilton's lap. He overtook him and then messed around in T1 and immediately afterwards before pulling over. It was childish behaviour and entirely as expected from Max in such a circumstance.

[bosyber]

If that was deliberate from Max and is penalized, it should be far more than 3 place drop.

How do they assess if it was deliberate? What are the provisions for a deliberate Vs non deliberate penalty?

You look at the throttle trace and see flat out to drag past on the straight and then less than to be expected in the corner. Can't claim "I didn't know he was there" because he'd just overtaken him in to the corner before deliberately slowing down on the apex/exit.

It's entirely obvious that he deliberately went to mess up Hamilton's lap. He overtook him and then messed around in T1 and immediately afterwards before pulling over. It was childish behaviour and entirely as expected from Max in such a circumstance.

Yeah, pretty clear really. Don't expect to happen anything with it then, it's Verstappen, and it's in Austria, somehow the FIA never seems to finds fault in some circumstances.

[Cs98]

If that was deliberate from Max and is penalized, it should be far more than 3 place drop.

How do they assess if it was deliberate? What are the provisions for a deliberate Vs non deliberate penalty?

You look at the throttle trace and see flat out to drag past on the straight and then less than to be expected in the corner. Can't claim "I didn't know he was there" because he'd just overtaken him in to the corner before deliberately slowing down on the apex/exit.

It's entirely obvious that he deliberately went to mess up Hamilton's lap. He overtook him and then messed around in T1 and immediately afterwards before pulling over. It was childish behaviour and entirely as expected from Max in such a circumstance.

He'll just say. "He impeded me so I had to go for another push lap to ensure I was safe". Him backing off out of T1 conincides with GP telling him he went P1 and was safe.

[Cs98]

How do they assess if it was deliberate? What are the provisions for a deliberate Vs non deliberate penalty?

You look at the throttle trace and see flat out to drag past on the straight and then less than to be expected in the corner. Can't claim "I didn't know he was there" because he'd just overtaken him in to the corner before deliberately slowing down on the apex/exit.

It's entirely obvious that he deliberately went to mess up Hamilton's lap. He overtook him and then messed around in T1 and immediately afterwards before pulling over. It was childish behaviour and entirely as expected from Max in such a circumstance.

Yeah, pretty clear really. Don't expect to happen anything with it then, it's Verstappen, and it's in Austria, somehow the FIA never seems to finds fault in some circumstances.

FIA never seems to finds fault in some circumstances.
Like Hamilton dawdling on racing line out of the final corner?