I dunno he was pretty slow the whole race bar the last few laps when the car was ligther. They kinda of finished the race where they deserve to be as a team.
I dunno he was pretty slow the whole race bar the last few laps when the car was ligther. They kinda of finished the race where they deserve to be as a team.
Both Ferrari were pulling away from Alonso so I don't think they were "that slow".
To be fair to the team, they just came out and admitted they made a mistake. They were too conservative with the tyre protection, they thought there would be more deg but they didn't get great data from FP2 according to Vasseur. I think the tyre warmup was the biggest issue, the car really struggles with the harder compounds in this condition.Vanja #66 wrote: ↑09 Jul 2023, 18:32This was a hard slap in the face for Ferrari wall, there was absolutely no need to pit as soon as they did with either car. Not an amazing pace, but there was no deg at all, not even for Sainz who pitted much later. Every race so far was about extending the stints, not cutting them short, how hard can it be to figure this out?!?
And then again, an amazing lack of observation of other cars on Hards - every car that started on them was going down the order. I am very curious to hear the excuses, I have a feeling they will top the stupidity of Binotto's last year's startegy excuse for Leclerc.
McLarens where unexpectedly quick on both compounds (likely heat up the tires more than other cars still and that paid off in a colder race), but keeping the P4/5/6 was perfectly possible.
Wow, finally... Maybe some good changes are actually happening now.SoulPancake13 wrote: ↑09 Jul 2023, 18:50To be fair to the team, they just came out and admitted they made a mistake. They were too conservative with the tyre protection, they thought there would be more deg but they didn't get great data from FP2 according to Vasseur. I think the tyre warmup was the biggest issue, the car really struggles with the harder compounds in this condition.
It's not like Ferrari has a bad history of being unable to switch on harder compounds... oh wait they do.Vanja #66 wrote: ↑09 Jul 2023, 18:32This was a hard slap in the face for Ferrari wall, there was absolutely no need to pit as soon as they did with either car. Not an amazing pace, but there was no deg at all, not even for Sainz who pitted much later. Every race so far was about extending the stints, not cutting them short, how hard can it be to figure this out?!?
And then again, an amazing lack of observation of other cars on Hards - every car that started on them was going down the order. I am very curious to hear the excuses, I have a feeling they will top the stupidity of Binotto's last year's startegy excuse for Leclerc.
McLarens where unexpectedly quick on both compounds (likely heat up the tires more than other cars still and that paid off in a colder race), but keeping the P4/5/6 was perfectly possible.
Whose fault is it that they missed FP2?SoulPancake13 wrote: ↑09 Jul 2023, 18:50To be fair to the team, they just came out and admitted they made a mistake. They were too conservative with the tyre protection, they thought there would be more deg but they didn't get great data from FP2 according to Vasseur. I think the tyre warmup was the biggest issue, the car really struggles with the harder compounds in this condition.Vanja #66 wrote: ↑09 Jul 2023, 18:32This was a hard slap in the face for Ferrari wall, there was absolutely no need to pit as soon as they did with either car. Not an amazing pace, but there was no deg at all, not even for Sainz who pitted much later. Every race so far was about extending the stints, not cutting them short, how hard can it be to figure this out?!?
And then again, an amazing lack of observation of other cars on Hards - every car that started on them was going down the order. I am very curious to hear the excuses, I have a feeling they will top the stupidity of Binotto's last year's startegy excuse for Leclerc.
McLarens where unexpectedly quick on both compounds (likely heat up the tires more than other cars still and that paid off in a colder race), but keeping the P4/5/6 was perfectly possible.
Obviously Ferrari's, but that isn't really the point. Vasseur said that the problems began on Friday, self imposed yes, but nevertheless that was the reason behind the costly errors. I still don't get though how you can see Russell do over half the race distance on used softs and decide to go to the hards? It makes 0 sense to me. Lots of work for the team to do in variable conditions, it seems like if they don't have perfect data they can't make good judgements...AR3-GP wrote: ↑09 Jul 2023, 18:54Whose fault is it that they missed FP2?SoulPancake13 wrote: ↑09 Jul 2023, 18:50To be fair to the team, they just came out and admitted they made a mistake. They were too conservative with the tyre protection, they thought there would be more deg but they didn't get great data from FP2 according to Vasseur. I think the tyre warmup was the biggest issue, the car really struggles with the harder compounds in this condition.Vanja #66 wrote: ↑09 Jul 2023, 18:32This was a hard slap in the face for Ferrari wall, there was absolutely no need to pit as soon as they did with either car. Not an amazing pace, but there was no deg at all, not even for Sainz who pitted much later. Every race so far was about extending the stints, not cutting them short, how hard can it be to figure this out?!?
And then again, an amazing lack of observation of other cars on Hards - every car that started on them was going down the order. I am very curious to hear the excuses, I have a feeling they will top the stupidity of Binotto's last year's startegy excuse for Leclerc.
McLarens where unexpectedly quick on both compounds (likely heat up the tires more than other cars still and that paid off in a colder race), but keeping the P4/5/6 was perfectly possible.
Sainz was actually quite strong on the old hards until he made a mistake and lost all the places in the DRS train. I think if Ferrari went long on the mediums we would have seen an improvement towards the end of the stint because there was 0 deg due to overprotection.f1316 wrote: ↑09 Jul 2023, 18:55The strategy wasn’t good but the bigger problem, as Charles said, was the lack of pace. Just not fast at any point of the race and Charles talks of poor traction.
Part of me wonders if they made the wrong choice on downforce levels but I’m more worried that it wouldn’t have mattered and this is just a reflection of the genuine pace. I’m sure it’ll be better in Hungary - as this was never going to be the best race for Ferrari - but still, not the progress I think we all hoped to see.
When has been the data perfect? On the contrary whenever they follow the data they messup big ways.SoulPancake13 wrote: ↑09 Jul 2023, 19:06Obviously Ferrari's, but that isn't really the point. Vasseur said that the problems began on Friday, self imposed yes, but nevertheless that was the reason behind the costly errors. I still don't get though how you can see Russell do over half the race distance on used softs and decide to go to the hards? It makes 0 sense to me. Lots of work for the team to do in variable conditions, it seems like if they don't have perfect data they can't make good judgements...AR3-GP wrote: ↑09 Jul 2023, 18:54Whose fault is it that they missed FP2?SoulPancake13 wrote: ↑09 Jul 2023, 18:50
To be fair to the team, they just came out and admitted they made a mistake. They were too conservative with the tyre protection, they thought there would be more deg but they didn't get great data from FP2 according to Vasseur. I think the tyre warmup was the biggest issue, the car really struggles with the harder compounds in this condition.