You have to understand the problem that we have with slow turns is not aero.Is mechanical and it is really old .Something like 5 - 7 years old. We carry over it from the previous regulations and mostly has to do with suspension and chassis .The main reason for pull rod suspension choice that we done with this regulations and design choices was to cure it. Because pull rod is really difficult because it create a lot of dirty air and needs a lot of fine tunning. But if you get it right you have better weight distribution and you can have a balance between heating up the tires and maintaining them at the same time. That's why you hear Verstappen especially in FP and between each q1 to q2 and especially q3 complaining. Because they to try to find the balance just right. If you hit this sweet spot your goldenmwillems wrote: ↑11 Jul 2023, 13:40Ahh OK I get you. So yes we were certainly not great, but this is in many ways a different car now, so I suppose what I'm saying is we can't assume what traits have carried over. In the Silverstone telemetry there are two parts for the track that are twisty, although I'm not sure they require much off throttle, certainly not before the start finish straight. But in the opportunities at low speed corners we had good exit and good minimum speed.bauc wrote: ↑11 Jul 2023, 13:33Take for example the track at Barcelona, turns 10 throughout 13 were pure pain for us, to clarify I'm talking about twisty turns where you hare not traveling that fast, so comparison to Silverstone is not ideal as this is a track were you carry much more speed and momentum trough the corners.mwillems wrote: ↑11 Jul 2023, 13:26
Are we weak on exit and in twisty corners in this configuration or this that a reference to the trait we have had prior to the update?
I confess I didn't look at corner exit at Silverstone but we were certainly not great in twisty sections and we weren't always great at corner exit.... but I always thought the team were suggesting this was down to two things, the conditions (Temps, Track Surface) and the cars ability to run off throttle and not all twisty sections are equal. Lando has confirmed that the off throttle issue is much better now anyway due to the cars new Aero.
All I'm saying is, we don't fully know what is weak on this car yet and the strengths and weaknesses are changeable based on circumstances, so Hungry represents its own challenge.
To my amateur eyes the telemetry below doesn't suggest we struggle in the twist sections, in fact in the final two twisty corners before the straight we are on a par or faster than Mercedes. It doesn't men we are perfect and there isn't work to do, but I'd just not call it weak, we don't have enough evidence yet. Not only that, this new car specification has only been tested in cool conditions and with decent track surfaces. So for me it feels quite unkown.
https://i.ibb.co/HKgpR51/Norris-v-Ham.png
What I'm not sure about was wether that was influenced by the temps and the surface and I think Hungary will be a very good chance to see what flaws the car may have fixed or may still have, but I wouldn't want to say that the car is weak at corner exit or twisty off throttle sections just yet, because so far the data looks promising. But that's just my take, I feel optimistic that this car will work well at Hungary, and well for me is two top ten finishes.