Team mates points percentage

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This after Monaco 2023, round 7 (6, San Marino canceled) of the season:

RBR
MV 144/249 = 57.8%
SP 105/249 = 42.2%

AMR
FA 93/120 = 77.5%
LS 27/120 = 22.5%

Mercedes
LH 69/119 = 58%
GR 50/119 = 42%

Ferrari
CS 48/90 = 53.3%
CL 42/90 = 46.7%

Alpine
EO 21/35 = 60%
PG 14/35 = 40%

McLaren
LN 12/17 = 70.6%
OP 5/17 = 29.4%

Haas
NH 6/8 = 75%
KM 2/8 = 25%

Alfa Romeo
VB 4/6 = 66.7%
GZ 2/6 = 33.3%

Alpha Tauri
YT 2/2 = 100%
ND 0/2 = 0%

Williams
AA 1/1 = 100%
LS 0/1 = 0%


Take it for what it's worth, prolly not much. I do think the difference between Alonso and Stroll is telling, though. Piastri is a rookie, so I think one should make allowance for that. The bottom four is harder to determine, with single results accounting for big differences.

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Re: Team mates points percentage

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I will try to update as the season develops.

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Re: Team mates points percentage

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zeph wrote: ↑
29 May 2023, 03:17
I will try to update as the season develops.
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I know this is firmly in the "what if" category, but if ALO/STR was closer to 60/40 (like HAM/RUS or VER/PER), Stroll would have like 62 points, and AMR would be on 155 points, comfortably ahead of Mercedes.

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https://f1-analysis.com/list-of-articles/

This website's author uses a mathematical model that tries to rank drivers and primarily uses % of the team's points scored and driver comparisons to achieve this..

It's very flawed, but they have a lot of data of these driver head-to-heads stored.

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zeph wrote: ↑
01 Jun 2023, 23:25
I know this is firmly in the "what if" category, but if ALO/STR was closer to 60/40 (like HAM/RUS or VER/PER), Stroll would have like 62 points, and AMR would be on 155 points, comfortably ahead of Mercedes.
Stroll is a guy who bought his way into F1 very unprepared and had people calling for his head immediately.
With time and effort he made himself into an ok midfield driver(which is respectable), so the jokes basically stopped.

His "problem" is that he now finds himself a very desireable seat, and the fact that he isn't fast or consistent enough for such a high end car are starting to come into evidence.
I wonder when it's gonna be the time that Lawrence has to tell Lance "you've been here long enough, maybe try prototype racing or F-E now?".

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Sevach wrote: ↑
02 Jun 2023, 00:14
zeph wrote: ↑
01 Jun 2023, 23:25
I know this is firmly in the "what if" category, but if ALO/STR was closer to 60/40 (like HAM/RUS or VER/PER), Stroll would have like 62 points, and AMR would be on 155 points, comfortably ahead of Mercedes.
Stroll is a guy who bought his way into F1 very unprepared and had people calling for his head immediately.
With time and effort he made himself into an ok midfield driver(which is respectable), so the jokes basically stopped.

His "problem" is that he now finds himself a very desireable seat, and the fact that he isn't fast or consistent enough for such a high end car are starting to come into evidence.
I wonder when it's gonna be the time that Lawrence has to tell Lance "you've been here long enough, maybe try prototype racing or F-E now?".
I suppose it depends if his desire for a title is more than his desire to have a highly rated son.
TBH, I do not see Stroll jnr as a bad driver just as you say, he was not prepared by the same track other drivers had to follow.
Alonso himself says something similar and seems prepared to put in a bit of assistance to make it a good team (with 'star' and 'backup' drivers of course)

I think he could do a reasonable job and with some luck falling his way become a 'respected driver' in the history books even if not by some who currently follow F1. There have been worse who did not show potential.

On the up side, if Stroll snr was not there putting money into this team, they would still be a mid table team, if they were even still in existence.


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Woops, sorry way of track, but I leave it there.
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We're at the halfway point of the season (11 out of 22 races), so it seems like a good time to take another look at intra-team points balance:

RBR
Verstappen - 281 - 62.2 %
Perez - 171 - 37.8 %

MERCEDES
Hamilton - 133 - 59.6 %
Russell - 90 - 40.4 %

AMR
Alonso - 139 - 75.5 %
Stroll - 45 - 24.5 %

FERRARI
Leclerc - 80 - 47.9 %
Sainz - 87 - 52.1 %

MCLAREN
Norris - 60 - 69 %
Piastri - 27 - 31 %

ALPINE
Ocon - 31 - 66 %
Gasly - 16 - 34 %

WILLIAMS
Albon - 11 - 100%
Sargeant - 0 - 0 %

HAAS
Hulkenberg - 9 - 82 %
Magnussen - 2 - 18 %

ALFA ROMEO
Bottas - 5 - 56 %
Guanyu - 4 - 44 %

ALPHA TAURI
Tsunoda - 2 - 100%
De Vries - 0 - 0%
Ricciardo - 0 - 0%


Main takeaways, Perez has taken a bit of a beating, as was plain to see for all over the last few races. Piastri is finding his groove, I don't think he needs to be worried, unlike Sargeant.
Gasly is slipping further behind, while Guanyu has picked up a little. but at the lower end of the scale single results have a big impact, so take that with a grain of salt. However, Magnussen needs to do something, quick.
As for Stroll, not sure how to spin that positively.

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zeph wrote: ↑
23 Jul 2023, 21:22
AMR
Alonso - 139 - 75.5 %
Stroll - 45 - 24.5 %

As for Stroll, not sure how to spin that positively.
He's had 4 non-scoring finishes, of which one was an engine issue so not his fault. But he's failed in qualifying a number of times in a season when the field is close together and a tenth or two can mean several grid places. He's simply not as good as Fernando, but then few are. Fernando, in the same car, has scored points in every race.
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I see three tiers.

One front running team

Upper midfield

Lower midfield

No backmarkers this year?
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PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑
28 Jul 2023, 04:26


No backmarkers this year?
AT is the only contender, but they've been able to compete for points on pace on multiple occasions this season