2023 Belgian Grand Prix - Spa-Francorchamps, July 28 - 30

[Hammerfist]

Regardless of who is involved, while making an attempt to overtake, the onus to keep it clean is on the driver attempting overtake. It has always been a rule.

Not according to the revised rules from 2022. If the attacking car on the inside has a significant overlap the defending driver on the outside has to leave enough room or be seen at fault. Merc should really appeal this penalty.

[ringo]

Regardless of who is involved, while making an attempt to overtake, the onus to keep it clean is on the driver attempting overtake. It has always been a rule.

Brake testing, moving under braking, multiple moves, chopping across...

Look no further than Hangary last week. Turn 1 lap 1. If Hamilton kept his foot in like Perez i do wonder if RB fans would be blaming Max for having the "onus"?
But yes agreed no point in arguing. It is what it is.
As alonso says "Karma!!". We see in tomorrow race with Perez vs Leclerc at the front.
They may just open the door for a Hamilton win who knows.

[Just_a_fan]

If anyone is interested in seeing a replay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_H4Edwy-cw

From that angle it doesn't look good, we need the before and also onboard to see Lewis steering inputs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydignUU ... e=youtu.be

That's Hamilton's corner. He was significantly alongside going in and Perez tried to squeeze the line.

[Willy]

Regardless of who is involved, while making an attempt to overtake, the onus to keep it clean is on the driver attempting overtake. It has always been a rule.

Not according to the revised rules from 2022. If the attacking car on the inside has a significant overlap the defending driver on the outside has to leave enough room or be seen at fault. Merc should really appeal this penalty.

Lewis had loads of room today. Refer the pics and video.

[Spoutnik]

Regardless of who is involved, while making an attempt to overtake, the onus to keep it clean is on the driver attempting overtake. It has always been a rule.

Hmmm yes

Yet when Verstapen was divebombing down the inside and everyone else had to take avoiding action it was ok! Can’t count how many times Hamilton alone had to take avoiding action against an understeering Verstapen on the inside…

For some reason Red Bull drivers (and Red Bull fans probably) can’t accept getting overtaken and they always try closing the door even if the other driver is alongside them and if there’s a crash it isn’t their fault!

Too many times RB is getting away with it.
Honestly Perez is a terrorist, look at his moves at Silverstone last year when he fought for P2... He always defend in the same way. Never seen Alonso for example defend like this.

[Willy]

Regardless of who is involved, while making an attempt to overtake, the onus to keep it clean is on the driver attempting overtake. It has always been a rule.

Hmmm yes

Yet when Verstapen was divebombing down the inside and everyone else had to take avoiding action it was ok! Can’t count how many times Hamilton alone had to take avoiding action against an understeering Verstapen on the inside…

For some reason Red Bull drivers (and Red Bull fans probably) can’t accept getting overtaken and they always try closing the door even if the other driver is alongside them and if there’s a crash it isn’t their fault!

Too many times RB is getting away with it.
Honestly Perez is a terrorist, look at his moves at Silverstone last year when he fought for P2... He always defend in the same way. Never seen Alonso for example defend like this.

2018 Mexico and 2021 Hungary.

[AMG.Tzan]

Regardless of who is involved, while making an attempt to overtake, the onus to keep it clean is on the driver attempting overtake. It has always been a rule.

Hmmm yes

Yet when Verstapen was divebombing down the inside and everyone else had to take avoiding action it was ok! Can’t count how many times Hamilton alone had to take avoiding action against an understeering Verstapen on the inside…

For some reason Red Bull drivers (and Red Bull fans probably) can’t accept getting overtaken and they always try closing the door even if the other driver is alongside them and if there’s a crash it isn’t their fault!

I didn't say it was ok for Max to do so. He has been rightly punished when he was the transgressor. Lewis has this habit of understeering into another car which is always a problem.

Go ahead and mention some examples of “Lewis understeering into others”

And then mention some examples of “Max getting a penalty” for understeering into others!

The FIA’s thought process probably tells them that if you understeering into someone and put him out of the race you get a penalty, yet if the other driver takes avoiding action and you don’t crash then it’s ok…no penalty needed!

[Spoutnik]

Hmmm yes

Yet when Verstapen was divebombing down the inside and everyone else had to take avoiding action it was ok! Can’t count how many times Hamilton alone had to take avoiding action against an understeering Verstapen on the inside…

For some reason Red Bull drivers (and Red Bull fans probably) can’t accept getting overtaken and they always try closing the door even if the other driver is alongside them and if there’s a crash it isn’t their fault!

Too many times RB is getting away with it.
Honestly Perez is a terrorist, look at his moves at Silverstone last year when he fought for P2... He always defend in the same way. Never seen Alonso for example defend like this.

2018 Mexico and 2021 Hungary.

Can't remember 2018.
Hungary 2021 was pretty ok to me even if I wanted Hamilton to win.

[Willy]

From that angle it doesn't look good, we need the before and also onboard to see Lewis steering inputs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydignUU ... e=youtu.be

That's Hamilton's corner. He was significantly alongside going in and Perez tried to squeeze the line.

Wasn't it the same case in Brazil last year when Max was inside?

[Willy]

Too many times RB is getting away with it.
Honestly Perez is a terrorist, look at his moves at Silverstone last year when he fought for P2... He always defend in the same way. Never seen Alonso for example defend like this.

2018 Mexico and 2021 Hungary.

Can't remember 2018.
Hungary 2021 was pretty ok to me even if I wanted Hamilton to win.

Lewis complained it was dangerous in Hungary 2021. How is that ok?

[Just_a_fan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydignUU ... e=youtu.be

That's Hamilton's corner. He was significantly alongside going in and Perez tried to squeeze the line.

Wasn't it the same case in Brazil last year when Max was inside?

Well it was a very different type of corner and the two lines different, but if one wishes to drag up incomparable incidents, most people seemed to think that was a racing incident at the time, as I remember. I though it a bit of a dive bomb, hence why it's a different and incomparable incident. There was no dive bomb today - Perez was slow and Hamilton drove up alongside him, at which point Perez took a line that isn't the usual line through that corner - he pinched across.

[Spoutnik]

I'm not starting WEC propaganda, but it's crazy they raced in with these conditions

[AR3-GP]

- Perez was slow and Hamilton drove up alongside him, at which point Perez took a line that isn't the usual line through that corner - he pinched across.

Pinched across?

[Willy]

That's Hamilton's corner. He was significantly alongside going in and Perez tried to squeeze the line.

Wasn't it the same case in Brazil last year when Max was inside?

Well it was a very different type of corner and the two lines different, but if one wishes to drag up incomparable incidents, most people seemed to think that was a racing incident at the time, as I remember. I though it a bit of a dive bomb, hence why it's a different and incomparable incident. There was no dive bomb today - Perez was slow and Hamilton drove up alongside him, at which point Perez took a line that isn't the usual line through that corner - he pinched across.

It was thrown for argument sake and I fully expected a defensive reply. It's exact same position Red Bull fans are taking. Hope you got the point.

[jz11]

That's Hamilton's corner. He was significantly alongside going in and Perez tried to squeeze the line.

Wasn't it the same case in Brazil last year when Max was inside?

Well it was a very different type of corner and the two lines different, but if one wishes to drag up incomparable incidents, most people seemed to think that was a racing incident at the time, as I remember. I though it a bit of a dive bomb, hence why it's a different and incomparable incident. There was no dive bomb today - Perez was slow and Hamilton drove up alongside him, at which point Perez took a line that isn't the usual line through that corner - he pinched across.

sorry, what did he pinch? he was right on the curb on the exit, the only pinching was from understeering Lewis who tried to push Perez into submission by classically running him out of space on the exit, so, was Perez along side or not? was he entitled to space on the exit or not?