2023 Belgian Grand Prix - Spa-Francorchamps, July 28 - 30

[ringo]

Fastest car ever built, W11. Master piece. Still couldn't manage the records that RB19 has.

The question was about speed relative to the field. That means the cars it is actually racing. Compared to the cars it is actually racing, the RB19 is quicker than the W11 was. LikeWise the RB18 before it.

Its a shame we never saw the W11 with Max.

Well 2021 gave us a good idea of what happens with a faster redbull vs a little slower merc. And we saw how that turned out.

[Matt2725]

Verstappen would probably win this with both a ferrari or a mercedes, beginning to think the real redbull level is what perez shows, the rest is Verstappen.

Behave. Nobody can outperform the machinery they have to their disposal. As in, it's literally not possible.

What Max does with that car is what the car is capable of doing and it can likely do more.

[ringo]

Verstappen would probably win this with both a ferrari or a mercedes, beginning to think the real redbull level is what perez shows, the rest is Verstappen.

You are so right! Maybe even the Aston Martin.

[Spoutnik]

The question was about speed relative to the field. That means the cars it is actually racing. Compared to the cars it is actually racing, the RB19 is quicker than the W11 was. LikeWise the RB18 before it.

Its a shame we never saw the W11 with Max.

Well 2021 gave us a good idea of what happens with a faster redbull vs a little slower merc. And we saw how that turned out.

Are you saying the RB16B was faster than the W12... Can't believe it

[DGP123]

Verstappen would probably win this with both a ferrari or a mercedes, beginning to think the real redbull level is what perez shows, the rest is Verstappen.

Behave. Nobody can outperform the machinery they have to their disposal. As in, it's literally not possible.

What Max does with that car is what the car is capable of doing and it can likely do more.

Exactly. Put a top tier driver in that RB, and we’d be having a quality championship fight. Unfortunately, we got, Checo, and the season is a dud

[omegacel71]

I feel like the gap between Perez and Max has increased a lot between 2021 and now. Max was obviously destroying him too in 2021 but not by this margin I think

[Spoutnik]

Verstappen would probably win this with both a ferrari or a mercedes, beginning to think the real redbull level is what perez shows, the rest is Verstappen.

As would Schumacher, Hamilton, or Vettel in that case...

[214270]

The radio message from Alonso

I thought this was standard stuff.

I think the wording of the rules might come I to play here. If Merc use a mode others are prevented from using, I believe that is against the technical regulations, no?

ALO mentions the modes: COOL and OUT, it’s not modes not avail to others rather modes that may alter the *ICE strategy like the aforementioned. K0 would be fine however as they eng mentions

EDIT: Meant to say ICE not PU strategy

[Juzh]

The radio message from Alonso

I thought this was standard stuff.

I think the wording of the rules might come I to play here. If Merc use a mode others are prevented from using, I believe that is against the technical regulations, no?

The radio message from Alonso

I thought this was standard stuff.

Can you explain it for someone who doesn't know the technical part of it

I haven't seen any complaint raised officially yet from AM

I had a listen. I interpret it like this: apparently they're not allowed to use quali like out-lap mode to fully recharge the battery, but instead during the race they have to move around some different settings in order achieve more or less the same effect. Why that is, I wouldn't know. Maybe to prevent automation of some sorts, or maybe it for some other reason..
What Alonso's engineer is implying with K0 is that hamilton is manually pressing the K0 button on steering wheel, which basically kills battery assist and saves it for the next straight. If he keeps pressing it he'll eventually top up the battery. This is known to happen, but I wasn't aware it'd be mandated for the race, and honestly i don't believe it is.

[Matt2725]

I thought this was standard stuff.

I think the wording of the rules might come I to play here. If Merc use a mode others are prevented from using, I believe that is against the technical regulations, no?

ALO mentions the modes: COOL and OUT, it’s not modes not avail to others rather modes that may alter the PU strategy like the aforementioned. K0 would be fine however as they eng mentions

Well Merc's cool lap/recharge strat is strat 1. So someone might want to check the onboard.

[ringo]

Verstappen would probably win this with both a ferrari or a mercedes, beginning to think the real redbull level is what perez shows, the rest is Verstappen.

Behave. Nobody can outperform the machinery they have to their disposal. As in, it's literally not possible.

What Max does with that car is what the car is capable of doing and it can likely do more.

Exactly. Put a top tier driver in that RB, and we’d be having a quality championship fight. Unfortunately, we got, Checo, and the season is a dud

Yes checo's head is in a diffrrent place these days. But to stick to the race, we even see in the rain how his confidence is lacking in the car during the sprint. But it takes time for him to get in a groove. This is his biggest weakness.
He has always been a tier 3 driver. Good and solid, but not even tier 2. He in most cases doesnt get the pace out out the car.
But then again maybe Checo is just not agreeing to a setup that puts the car in the best potential. He could have a setup that gives stability and is forgiving and easy to drive but its really not at the limits. So a lot of the disparity can be between the setup and with Max's skills on top of that.. things just look even worse.

[Cs98]

I had a listen. I interpret it like this: apparently they're not allowed to use quali like out-lap mode to fully recharge the battery, but instead during the race they have to move around some different settings in order achieve more or less the same effect. Why that is, I wouldn't know. Maybe to prevent automation of some sorts, or maybe it for some other reason..
What Alonso's engineer is implying with K0 is that hamilton is manually pressing the K0 button on steering wheel, which basically kills battery assist and saves it for the next straight. If he keeps pressing it he'll eventually top up the battery. This is known to happen, but I wasn't aware it'd be mandated for the race, and honestly i don't believe it is.

Hamilton went "Strat 1", which is Merc's recharge mode.

[214270]

I think the wording of the rules might come I to play here. If Merc use a mode others are prevented from using, I believe that is against the technical regulations, no?

ALO mentions the modes: COOL and OUT, it’s not modes not avail to others rather modes that may alter the PU strategy like the aforementioned. K0 would be fine however as they eng mentions

Well Merc's cool lap/recharge strat is strat 1. So someone might want to check the onboard.

Oh I don’t much care. Just trying to quell before the conspiracy theorists chime in.

[omegacel71]

I thought this was standard stuff.

I think the wording of the rules might come I to play here. If Merc use a mode others are prevented from using, I believe that is against the technical regulations, no?

I thought this was standard stuff.

Can you explain it for someone who doesn't know the technical part of it

I haven't seen any complaint raised officially yet from AM

I had a listen. I interpret it like this: apparently they're not allowed to use quali like out-lap mode to fully recharge the battery, but instead during the race they have to move around some different settings in order achieve more or less the same effect. Why that is, I wouldn't know. Maybe to prevent automation of some sorts, or maybe it for some other reason..
What Alonso's engineer is implying with K0 is that hamilton is manually pressing the K0 button on steering wheel, which basically kills battery assist and saves it for the next straight. If he keeps pressing it he'll eventually top up the battery. This is known to happen, but I wasn't aware it'd be mandated for the race, and honestly i don't believe it is.

Thank You for the explanation.

[Juzh]

I had a listen. I interpret it like this: apparently they're not allowed to use quali like out-lap mode to fully recharge the battery, but instead during the race they have to move around some different settings in order achieve more or less the same effect. Why that is, I wouldn't know. Maybe to prevent automation of some sorts, or maybe it for some other reason..
What Alonso's engineer is implying with K0 is that hamilton is manually pressing the K0 button on steering wheel, which basically kills battery assist and saves it for the next straight. If he keeps pressing it he'll eventually top up the battery. This is known to happen, but I wasn't aware it'd be mandated for the race, and honestly i don't believe it is.

Hamilton went "Strat 1", which is Merc's recharge mode.

Yeah, I think it's a non issue tbh. Not sure what alonso is on about, don't think anything will come of it.