2023 - McLaren Formula 1 Team

[kfrantzios]

Why didn't we just undercut Albon? We were a lot faster than him when not stuck behind him.

[Ben1980]

Ah a pity. These rules are a joke.

Why? Because it didn't get you what you want? It is very clear and the reasons for it are totally correct, punishments are based on the mistake, not the consequences.

But, they should be able to take into account the consequences. Causing an incident which means the other person has say a 10 second pit stop. Then why can't a penalty be 15 seconds.

[Ben1980]

Why didn't we just undercut Albon? We were a lot faster than him when not stuck behind him.

Because he pitted very early.

[mwillems]

At least it’s good to know Mclaren had pace for a P6 and 7.
Let’s keep the points coming in. We out scored Aston

But we didn't, otherwise we'd have passed Albon and Hamilton would be behind, race cars have to race, not be quicker over a theoretical clear lap

We didn't drop as much as I thought, 1 place. Good work from the team and drivers.

Yes very true but if Albon put it in the wall early then we would have been P6&7. We know the limitations and how racing works.

We got what we deserved, apart from Piastri who deserved 9th place, or at least to fight Alonso for it, I think. You don't win races and championships by hoping people bin it, but by having a fast car, we were the 5th fastest car in the weekend. But you can clearly see that a small improvement would have us up to 3rd in this weekend, but the car isn't there yet.

[mwillems]

Ah a pity. These rules are a joke.

Why? Because it didn't get you what you want? It is very clear and the reasons for it are totally correct, punishments are based on the mistake, not the consequences.

But, they should be able to take into account the consequences. Causing an incident which means the other person has say a 10 second pit stop. Then why can't a penalty be 15 seconds.

The outcome is then totally changeable based on things outside of the drivers control, they are only responsible for the scale of their mistake. I wouldn't want to change that and have totally unpredictable and inconsistent penalties for drivers who do the same mistake.

[willmesquita]

A shame about Albon, his heavy defending cost us a spot against Hamilton.

Should be better no give back position after passing Albon off track, Norris could easily open up a 5s gap and stay ahead as Hamilton did.

Need to be Schumacher sometimes...

[Darth-Piekus]

Anyone has the final gaps?

[willmesquita]

I just wonder if Lando should've just kept the position when Albon pushed him off at turn 1. You'd think he would've been able to open up a 5 second gap.

THIS!

[SmallSoldier]

Why didn't we just undercut Albon? We were a lot faster than him when not stuck behind him.

Albon simply pitted way too early, it worked for them (barely)… Once Albon jumped the gun pitting, they had to stay in their own strategy.

[Darth-Piekus]

From what I see Hamilton opened 2,3 from Albon and 2,7 from Norris. Is that before or after that penalty?

[SmallSoldier]

Ah a pity. These rules are a joke.

Why? Because it didn't get you what you want? It is very clear and the reasons for it are totally correct, punishments are based on the mistake, not the consequences.

But, they should be able to take into account the consequences. Causing an incident which means the other person has say a 10 second pit stop. Then why can't a penalty be 15 seconds.

Because it will be unmanageable… Consequences will also be track specific and depending on the drivers involved… In order to have any sort of consistency in the rules, you have to punish the actions, regardless of the consequence (beyond the fact that doing it based on consequences will open a lot of chicanery from the teams).

[SmallSoldier]

But we didn't, otherwise we'd have passed Albon and Hamilton would be behind, race cars have to race, not be quicker over a theoretical clear lap

We didn't drop as much as I thought, 1 place. Good work from the team and drivers.

Yes very true but if Albon put it in the wall early then we would have been P6&7. We know the limitations and how racing works.

We got what we deserved, apart from Piastri who deserved 9th place, or at least to fight Alonso for it, I think. You don't win races and championships by hoping people bin it, but by having a fast car, we were the 5th fastest car in the weekend. But you can clearly see that a small improvement would have us up to 3rd in this weekend, but the car isn't there yet.

They had a good race overall, it was just very difficult to overtake in Monza… Whether you were driving a McLaren or not, Red Bull also struggled and capitalized more on mistakes from the cars in front than simply the speed of their car.

[mwillems]

A shame about Albon, his heavy defending cost us a spot against Hamilton.

Should be better no give back position after passing Albon off track, Norris could easily open up a 5s gap and stay ahead as Hamilton did.

Need to be Schumacher sometimes...

Very true, I agree with you on Norris, he should have just pushed on, he seems to have lost his edge a bit recently, I'm sure he'll learn from it. Feels like only a matter of time before Piastri has the better of him at this rate.

[SmallSoldier]

A shame about Albon, his heavy defending cost us a spot against Hamilton.

Should be better no give back position after passing Albon off track, Norris could easily open up a 5s gap and stay ahead as Hamilton did.

Need to be Schumacher sometimes...

I’m glad he has more sportsmanship than Schumacher

[Ben1980]

Why? Because it didn't get you what you want? It is very clear and the reasons for it are totally correct, punishments are based on the mistake, not the consequences.

But, they should be able to take into account the consequences. Causing an incident which means the other person has say a 10 second pit stop. Then why can't a penalty be 15 seconds.

Because it will be unmanageable… Consequences will also be track specific and depending on the drivers involved… In order to have any sort of consistency in the rules, you have to punish the actions, regardless of the consequence (beyond the fact that doing it based on consequences will open a lot of chicanery from the teams).

I know all that, and fully accept it.

But, the penalties for Russell and Hamilton being the sane, when the impact on the race was vast, makes it seem that its not really a fair system.