2023 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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Cs98 wrote:
02 Sep 2023, 23:20
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02 Sep 2023, 21:58
AR3-GP wrote:
02 Sep 2023, 21:32
Ferrari is better on the curbs. Interesting. Sainz seems to drive over them all on corner entry. Verstappen looks to avoid them.
This car loves smooth tracks and doesn't want to ride curbs. At Canada we saw the many curbs penalizing rb's pace quite a bit.

I think it's related to the setup that they have to use in order to extract performance from their floor concept, and related to their issues on bumpy tracks as well. It's why max expressed that it's not a weakness that can be resolved in-season but an accepted characteristic of going in that direction
This phenomenon was most clearly evident in Hungary turns 6/7 in the race. Hamilton gained a solid 1-3 tenths there every single lap on the RB, simply because he could clobber the kerb.
It's going to make Mexico tough

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avantman wrote:
02 Sep 2023, 23:36
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02 Sep 2023, 21:40
Albano came up with a similar number to mine. According to him, Sainz advantage in the straights accounted for almost 0.2s, in small part explained by a better exit out of some corners.
the numbers on the graph above show Leclerc is anything but a 'short corner driver'. Verstappen is and Sainz is much closer to him than Leclerc, contrary to what Formula 1 propagandist Peter Windsor says.
Max is cornering for just 15% of the lap, 74.3% of the lap at full throttle. Carlos cornering for 16.9% , at full throttle for 72% and Charles numbers are 19.3% and 70.9%. Isn't that why Charles looks so much better in the corners gaining lap time on Sainz and then losing on the straights, that are simply always longer for him, he spends less time at full throttle.

Great data and the graph, thanks!
Interesting observation. It's part of why Verstappen is able to nurse the tires so well.
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AR3-GP wrote:
03 Sep 2023, 03:04
avantman wrote:
02 Sep 2023, 23:36
Xyz22 wrote:
02 Sep 2023, 21:40
Albano came up with a similar number to mine. According to him, Sainz advantage in the straights accounted for almost 0.2s, in small part explained by a better exit out of some corners.
the numbers on the graph above show Leclerc is anything but a 'short corner driver'. Verstappen is and Sainz is much closer to him than Leclerc, contrary to what Formula 1 propagandist Peter Windsor says.
Max is cornering for just 15% of the lap, 74.3% of the lap at full throttle. Carlos cornering for 16.9% , at full throttle for 72% and Charles numbers are 19.3% and 70.9%. Isn't that why Charles looks so much better in the corners gaining lap time on Sainz and then losing on the straights, that are simply always longer for him, he spends less time at full throttle.

Great data and the graph, thanks!
Interesting observation. It's part of why Verstappen is able to nurse the tires so well.
yeah, these should be correct conclusions if the numbers are correct( I can only hope they are). because short corners are all about how much time you spend in the corner, not about the distance(as Windsor understands it, incorrectly). I made a mistake in the last sentence though, straights are shorter for Charles, not longer.

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AR3-GP wrote:
02 Sep 2023, 18:53
Juzh wrote:
02 Sep 2023, 18:09
Verstappen's lap
https://streamable.com/6ct2iu
and you are worried about tomorrow. This lap looks at ease. He said he's happy with it.
Hopefully it's not just easy to drive but also fast enough.

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Looking at this video https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/vide ... 85198.html

Verstappen suddenly gains just before the line and almost overtakes sainz. Ferrari's ERS is out of juice a few seconds before honda and it almost made the difference.

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Juzh wrote:
03 Sep 2023, 11:43
Looking at this video https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/vide ... 85198.html

Verstappen suddenly gains just before the line and almost overtakes sainz. Ferrari's ERS is out of juice a few seconds before honda and it almost made the difference.
Yes, true; though if you compare to Leclerc, he is faster than both there, so I think it’s more a matter of different ERS strategies to go faster around the lap.

I noticed much less clipping for Ferrari than previously, basically in line with Max from this point of view, so the new software of Ferrari did a great job there and Ferrari was quicker in all the acceleration zones.

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DoctorRadio wrote:
03 Sep 2023, 11:55
Juzh wrote:
03 Sep 2023, 11:43
Looking at this video https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/vide ... 85198.html

Verstappen suddenly gains just before the line and almost overtakes sainz. Ferrari's ERS is out of juice a few seconds before honda and it almost made the difference.
Yes, true; though if you compare to Leclerc, he is faster than both there, so I think it’s more a matter of different ERS strategies to go faster around the lap.

I noticed much less clipping for Ferrari than previously, basically in line with Max from this point of view, so the new software of Ferrari did a great job there and Ferrari was quicker in all the acceleration zones.
Yes I've seen the same, just in this particular case it was noticeable how Sai almost lost it because of de-rating in this one section.

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This is just unbelievable consistency of putting together weekends by a driver! A number of drivers have had dominant cars, but none really managed such a feat. May be Vettel would have done if the 2013 season continued, but it wasn't.

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It really is an honor to witness this record breaking season!

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Thats how we do it boys!!! Unstoppable. Lets make it 15!
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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Yes! He’s done it! I was so nervous today. Wasn’t easy with Sainz making sure Max could not follow into the parabolica everytime he was close and the Ferrari so quick on the straight, but he did it, carefully and with quality. History in the making!

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Dang Max is out of fingers now.

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napoleon1981 wrote:
03 Sep 2023, 17:31
Dang Max is out of fingers now.
There’s 10 toes to go with haha

I really hope he makes it more than 10
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