2023 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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Sainz race sim was definetly quicker than Verstappen. Leclerc race sim slower. Just from my sighting of the timing screens.

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Verstappen: "It has been worse than expected. We have work for tonight. We will try to improve but it is a big difference"

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What is 'it', change of ride height due to the new TD? In FP2 it indeed the RB19 seems to lack grip.

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Huge balance issues. They said before the weekend balance issues would be the most obvious thing if TD hit a car badly

It is far worse than they would predict. Let's see if they can pull off their magic overnight setup corrections as they sometimes do

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organic wrote:
15 Sep 2023, 18:13
Huge balance issues. They said before the weekend balance issues would be the most obvious thing if TD hit a car badly

It is far worse than they would predict. Let's see if they can pull off their magic overnight setup corrections as they sometimes do
If so: from the floor test or FW test? Regardless supposedly street circuits aren't the car's strong suit. Also, new floor and RW endplate parts are being used.
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The problem is there are too many conflating factors. It’s a max downforce circuit. In Canada and Monaco they looked scratchy as well.

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Haven’t seen anything but wouldn’t rule the current reported issues on the TD at present. As much as some people would love

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#AMuS After two free practice sessions in Singapore, both Max and Checo are struggling with sliding rear ends and find the right balance

Red Bull is losing 4-tenths in the 3-corners first sector, according to Helmut Marko

While many suspected it has something to do with the revised TD039 which led to Red Bull bringing the modified floor, both drivers took turns with the modified floor comparing with the old spec and lap times showed RB19 with the modified floor is faster, especially Checo being fastest on mediums

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AR3-GP wrote:
15 Sep 2023, 18:32
The problem is there are too many conflating factors. It’s a max downforce circuit. In Canada and Monaco they looked scratchy as well.
Agree here. It's never looked a "maximum" downforce type concept, always with other chassis closest for one lap pace when that's really counted.

That Ferrari motor has ferocious low to mid range torque too. If they can hook it up effectively it's impressive on these short corner exit that dominate this track.

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“The newly asphalted areas have a lot fewer bumps than expected. We had to adjust to that first,” Mike Krack said
Maybe RB didn't expect it to be as smooth as it is. This should help the car

It's cool to see the new floor. Seems like a pretty decent sized change again. Checo was 2 tenths quicker in terms of race pace than Max in FP2 with the new floor

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organic wrote:
15 Sep 2023, 21:36
“The newly asphalted areas have a lot fewer bumps than expected. We had to adjust to that first,” Mike Krack said
Maybe RB didn't expect it to be as smooth as it is. This should help the car
Looking at Sainz' lap from fp2 I immediately noticed track is much less bumpy. Maybe some cars had too much ground clearance for the newly established situation. I'm guessing this is what Krack is saying.

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ali623 wrote:
15 Sep 2023, 16:22
Verstappen: "It has been worse than expected. We have work for tonight. We will try to improve but it is a big difference"
Flexy wings gone perhaps? 8) :lol:
But on a serious note, I am not concerned. Car will be sorted out in FP3 and Q1.
Singapore is a grueling race. Redbull are maybe preparing for less stops than the others, but let's see.
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organic wrote:
15 Sep 2023, 21:36
“The newly asphalted areas have a lot fewer bumps than expected. We had to adjust to that first,” Mike Krack said
Maybe RB didn't expect it to be as smooth as it is. This should help the car
Yes but like the stock market, that effect should be priced in. The car shouldn't be worse than the simulations on a smoother track. I see no reason for that.

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It could just be like Hungary where the 1 lap pace was not great.