2023 - McLaren Formula 1 Team

[Tomsky]

[Macklaren]

we are quickest?? Softs -- but not sure how long the advantage lasts at this track. so weird with RBR times...not sure what is going on

[MCLvamos]

we are quickest?? Softs -- but not sure how long the advantage lasts at this track. so weird with RBR times...not sure what is going on

not sure the advantage would be much considering those tires had just gone through quali sims. Hopefully they held a bit in hand on the short runs and we'll see some strong pace tomorrow!

[mwillems]

we are quickest?? Softs -- but not sure how long the advantage lasts at this track. so weird with RBR times...not sure what is going on

It's FP2. Nothing weird they are just taking it easy.

Unless they've been nerfed by the new TD.

but even so they will still qualify 1st

[MCLvamos]

Don't mind being behind Ferrari with a Red Bull in front, but if they are the team in front I'd.be really disappointed if we are behind. Although perhaps my delusions of Lando's first win here may have played into that feeling. Hopefully we can take a step come tomorrow. Long runs looked alright on Lando's side though

[Darth-Piekus]

Considering every single time the team has the engine turned down at Friday as also Red Bull and knowing not the fuel load I would expect a different picture tomorrow from both Mclaren and Red Bull

[FittingMechanics]

Considering every single time the team has the engine turned down at Friday as also Red Bull and knowing not the fuel load I would expect a different picture tomorrow from both Mclaren and Red Bull

In the team stream they said that one of the plans is to determine whether soft is a potential race tire. Lando was obviously on that part.

I think long run pace predictions are too chaotic as most teams did very few laps.

[SmallSoldier]

You'd think so if DAS was banned.

Another thought is that the way the car interacts with the tyres, that it needs a higher load to have them behave the way the car likes and to provide either the right level of mechanical grip or to provide the right platform for the Aero. Perhaps the V profile that we need to attack the slow corner is to throw the car with more energy into a shorter corner. Are we not able to control the behaviour of the tyres under too little load? This would relate to an earlier issue where the car was poor when off braking and off throttle. If so this could be improved with more front downforce.

But only Merc had the DAS system? There is a different system here that changes the level of ground clearance when you turn the steering wheel, that is, when you turn the wheels. It always seemed to me that this is the norm and is connected with the geometry of the suspension and caster placement. Camber should have less of an impact on this.

Regarding your comment, that's a good question. If you look at Lando’s racing trajectory in Austria, then everything is not so simple. When the tires were fresh, he could afford a classic qualifying line, but when the tires were worn out he used a more V-shaped line in Turn 3. I remember we already discussed this, but even this one specific turn can already indicate that the wear of the front tires may be even higher than the rear, or this was due to the setup of the car and the lack of sufficient practice to select the optimal settings.

True, something similar happened again at Silverstone, then in the race when the tires were worn out, Lando also experienced understeer in turn 3, while Charles and Max sometimes had too much input, on their cars the rear was more nimble, but less stable, especially Ferrari. There they went from understeer to oversteer. Bad balance.

I'll be honest, I don't fully understand it yet, but I admit that McLaren is still lacking a little bit in all areas. Still, our drivers wear out their tires faster and begin to lose race pace faster. This was not so noticeable at Silverstone, but there the aero package was very optimal in terms of overall downforce loading and wing dimensions.

Maybe our car goes fast only in a narrow range of suspension settings? Then this would explain a lot, but it’s more likely in the thermal level of the tires and how to keep the tires in the working window, and this is more likely a reason in the general geometry of the suspension arms, rather than just wheel toe-in camber.

Yes but why ban something f that alters toe but not ride height using the steering. But who knows.

The thermal profile is a symptom of the problem and the ability to take a normal corner profile on fresh tyres doesn't mean that performance isnt still retarded, just not so much that they have to take a V profile yet.

I believe he is talking about the POU (Push On Upright) that all teams (including McLaren) ended up using towards the end of the previous generation of cars.

[mwillems]

But only Merc had the DAS system? There is a different system here that changes the level of ground clearance when you turn the steering wheel, that is, when you turn the wheels. It always seemed to me that this is the norm and is connected with the geometry of the suspension and caster placement. Camber should have less of an impact on this.

Regarding your comment, that's a good question. If you look at Lando’s racing trajectory in Austria, then everything is not so simple. When the tires were fresh, he could afford a classic qualifying line, but when the tires were worn out he used a more V-shaped line in Turn 3. I remember we already discussed this, but even this one specific turn can already indicate that the wear of the front tires may be even higher than the rear, or this was due to the setup of the car and the lack of sufficient practice to select the optimal settings.

True, something similar happened again at Silverstone, then in the race when the tires were worn out, Lando also experienced understeer in turn 3, while Charles and Max sometimes had too much input, on their cars the rear was more nimble, but less stable, especially Ferrari. There they went from understeer to oversteer. Bad balance.

I'll be honest, I don't fully understand it yet, but I admit that McLaren is still lacking a little bit in all areas. Still, our drivers wear out their tires faster and begin to lose race pace faster. This was not so noticeable at Silverstone, but there the aero package was very optimal in terms of overall downforce loading and wing dimensions.

Maybe our car goes fast only in a narrow range of suspension settings? Then this would explain a lot, but it’s more likely in the thermal level of the tires and how to keep the tires in the working window, and this is more likely a reason in the general geometry of the suspension arms, rather than just wheel toe-in camber.

Yes but why ban something f that alters toe but not ride height using the steering. But who knows.

The thermal profile is a symptom of the problem and the ability to take a normal corner profile on fresh tyres doesn't mean that performance isnt still retarded, just not so much that they have to take a V profile yet.

I believe he is talking about the POU (Push On Upright) that all teams (including McLaren) ended up using towards the end of the previous generation of cars.

Ahh ok. That's definitely gone.

[MTudor]

I've been arguing for ages that Mechanical and Aero work together and so one could make up some of the deficiencies in the other and that I think that this car's front issue was more Aero related. I recall having this discussion with someone else at Monza also where I suggested that the chicanes wouldn't be as straight forward an issue as you'd think, and it came to pass that the car was passable in the chicane, but awful on entry,

I think yesterday with Lionsheart I also made that point that since once can make up the deficiencies of the other it still doesn't mean that the mechanical elements of the front of the car aren't holding back what is now amazing front aero.

Yes, today the thought also occurred to me that there is no need to separate mechanics and aerodynamics. Everything works together.

I said before the Austrian update that I hope that in that package should also be an update to the font suspension,because I read that Newey himself design the front and rear suspension at Redbull,and I thought that it might be pretty significant if that's the case.
Welcome to the same conclusion 3 months later

[MTudor]

Considering every single time the team has the engine turned down at Friday as also Red Bull and knowing not the fuel load I would expect a different picture tomorrow from both Mclaren and Red Bull

It's been said that Mclaren starts the FP's with 50-60 kg of fuel and it slowly emptyes the tank.

[djos]

McLaren really need to stop shafting Oscar. It’s becoming a pattern! He’s consistently getting the upgrades later than Lando, and even worse, getting shafted on pit strategy when he is the leading car on track.

If they keep this up, they might lose Oscar to another team.

[AR3-GP]

McLaren really need to stop shafting Oscar. It’s becoming a pattern! He’s consistently getting the upgrades later than Lando, and even worse, getting shafted on pit strategy when he is the leading car on track.

If they keep this up, they might lose Oscar to another team.

which team do you think? RB?

[djos]

McLaren really need to stop shafting Oscar. It’s becoming a pattern! He’s consistently getting the upgrades later than Lando, and even worse, getting shafted on pit strategy when he is the leading car on track.

If they keep this up, they might lose Oscar to another team.

which team do you think? RB?

It’s possible, but I’m sure he’s done more than enough to attract the attention of the top teams.

I’d rather he stays at McLaren as I believe they will be a top team consistently now that they have gotten rid of Key and sorted their management structure out.

[SmallSoldier]

McLaren really need to stop shafting Oscar. It’s becoming a pattern! He’s consistently getting the upgrades later than Lando, and even worse, getting shafted on pit strategy when he is the leading car on track.

If they keep this up, they might lose Oscar to another team.

If there is only one upgrade package, it is common sense to give it to:

A) The driver with the most experience
B) The driver that is leading in the season

There is nothing about “shafting” Oscar… It is simply the current pecking order and it’s warranted based only on results.