Mark Webber has won his first Grand Prix of his already long Grand Prix after quite simply being the fastest man on track. Even a drive through penalty could not stop his charge for this win. Sebastian Vettel is second, Felipe Massa third.
List out those 10 times when Lewis hit anyone... exactly... bullshit.paused wrote:IMO the move with Rubens was a bit too aggresive. He really only need to squeeze him rather than belt him but then again probabky no worse that at least 10 moves from Lewis in 07/08.
People really do like arguing on this board don't they? I didn't say lewis hit other cars 10 times in 07/08. However, whether you hit someone is not really the be all and end all of whether a move is agressive or not.ISLAMATRON wrote:List out those 10 times when Lewis hit anyone... exactly... bullshit.paused wrote:IMO the move with Rubens was a bit too aggresive. He really only need to squeeze him rather than belt him but then again probabky no worse that at least 10 moves from Lewis in 07/08.
Fair enough. I had mainly based my opinion on his demeanor, and his reaction to Massa joking with him.djos wrote:Personally I thought these comments from Vettel were extreemly Sporting:Michiba wrote:yes, I did see that djos, but I also saw the post race interview, which I think was quite telling.
Sure, no one likes to lose or come second, but I made a reference to last year, when he won. Everyone was saying what a nice guy he is etc. I just think that if that was true, he wouldn't act like he did during the interview.
I don't necessarily see it as a bad thing, just that he's not as sporting as I was made to believe. Having said that, if he keeps it up (his attitude), I think he can become the next schumacher for sure. You don't win races by thinking that it's ok to come 2nd.
“Congratulations to Mark,” Vettel underlined. “He was unbeatable today – he was quicker than all of us, so he totally deserved to win. I'm very happy with the result, and in the end it was a good recovery. It was quite a bad start and I had all the KERS cars around me – I got passed by both the McLarens and even Felipe. It was quite difficult to start fourth and go into the first corner in eighth or something.
“I then struggled a lot with the soft tyres in the first stint and was in a lot of traffic. I could have gone quicker, but there was no way to pass Felipe, as he always used the special button when I was quite close. Therefore I was lucky to have the right strategy, as that pulled us back to second position but Felipe didn't stop pushing, so it was hard until the end of the race.
“We had to fight, but it's another one-two finish for the team and I'm happy. I'd be lying if I said I'm very pleased with second, as of course I wanted to win, but yesterday Mark did a better job and that's why today he totally deserves the win – it's a good fight between us, so I'm looking forward to the next races.”
Vettel: Webber was 'unbeatable' – and totally deserved to win
Lewis understands, unlike you, that passing is 90% about positioning, While you may think he is "sending a flyer" down the inside, you can see that he is totally in control of his car, by the mere fact that he does not hit the other car, and that he leaves them ample racing room(a great majority of the time). Even in Japan last year he did not hit KIMi, although he destroyed his tire trying to avoid the contact.paused wrote:People really do like arguing on this board don't they? I didn't say lewis hit other cars 10 times in 07/08. However, whether you hit someone is not really the be all and end all of whether a move is agressive or not.ISLAMATRON wrote:List out those 10 times when Lewis hit anyone... exactly... bullshit.paused wrote:IMO the move with Rubens was a bit too aggresive. He really only need to squeeze him rather than belt him but then again probabky no worse that at least 10 moves from Lewis in 07/08.
If you send a flyer down the inside knowing that if the other car turns in you will have an accident, then in my view that is not any less agressive than what Mark did. I did after all say that it was "too agressive" didn't I? Just relax.
LOL, I was thinking the same thing during the race. I guess if he had to use all of his luck up, though, Brazil 07 was the place to do it.Shrek wrote:Is it just me or does Kimi always have bad luck at least when he's not winning.
Ok one eye! Sorry to infur Lewis is not perfect. How misguided of me! I wonder if I started a thread call "Lewis is not an agressive driver" how that debate may go. Suggest you read what is being said before you get too hot under the collar.ISLAMATRON wrote:
Lewis understands, unlike you, that passing is 90% about positioning, While you may think he is "sending a flyer" down the inside, you can see that he is totally in control of his car, by the mere fact that he does not hit the other car, and that he leaves them ample racing room(a great majority of the time). Even in Japan last year he did not hit KIMi, although he destroyed his tire trying to avoid the contact.
The entire point of positioning yourself on the inside for an outbraking maneuver, is to place yourself where your opposition has no other choice but to slow down and cede the position
Actually, Kimi has bad luck and mechanical failures or accidents whenever Michael Schumacher is present. I've said that before but people don't believe me. Just check it and see!Shrek wrote:Is it just me or does Kimi always have bad luck at least when he's not winning.
I won't argue with that mate. All I've been saying all along is that he should know better than to attack the first corner like there's no tomorrow and get himself caught up in a silly first corner incident, ruining his race. One of the first things rookies learn in F1 (except Sato).ISLAMATRON wrote:But like a said, merely a racing incident.
Only you can't exactly say you are in control when your brakes are completely locked. So, we have Japan 2008 at the very least. Then we have Hamilton practically running Glock and Webber off the road in Monza in '08, Spa '08 he was locked up going into bus stop. He may not have hit anyone (severely at least) but he has made plenty of over the top aggressive moves.ISLAMATRON wrote:
Lewis understands, unlike you, that passing is 90% about positioning, While you may think he is "sending a flyer" down the inside, you can see that he is totally in control of his car, by the mere fact that he does not hit the other car, and that he leaves them ample racing room(a great majority of the time). Even in Japan last year he did not hit KIMi, although he destroyed his tire trying to avoid the contact.
The entire point of positioning yourself on the inside for an outbraking maneuver, is to place yourself where your opposition has no other choice but to slow down and cede the position
I Guess "over the top aggressive moves" is subjective... but thats what it seems to take to get passes done in F1 these days... Monza 08 was wet, so was spa... I cut everybody a little slack in the rain... maybe you guys like to watch the Truilli trainsmegz wrote:Only you can't exactly say you are in control when your brakes are completely locked. So, we have Japan 2008 at the very least. Then we have Hamilton practically running Glock and Webber off the road in Monza in '08, Spa '08 he was locked up going into bus stop. He may not have hit anyone (severely at least) but he has made plenty of over the top aggressive moves.
I love how you accuse other people of wicked anti-Hamilton bias and then go and and pick a fight while heaping praise on another driver...
I think we all need to put our emotions aside and look more at the subjective facts.
surely being in the lead going into the first corner would be the safest place?andartop wrote:I won't argue with that mate. All I've been saying all along is that he should know better than to attack the first corner like there's no tomorrow and get himself caught up in a silly first corner incident, ruining his race. One of the first things rookies learn in F1 (except Sato).ISLAMATRON wrote:But like a said, merely a racing incident.
