German Gp 2009 - Nürburgring

[vasia]

Ah, so it was Sutil's fault in fact. I retract my previous statements then.

Sutil's fault why?

Well it seems like he hit Kimi even though Kimi tried to move out of the way. Then again, it could be both are at fault.

[ISLAMATRON]

Ah, so it was Sutil's fault in fact. I retract my previous statements then.

Sutil's fault why?

Well it seems like he hit Kimi even though Kimi tried to move out of the way. Then again, it could be both are at fault.

But according to the Speed commentators, at the drivers meeting the stewards stated that the driver coming out of the pits has the right of way, so according to them KIMI was supposed to not only have moved out of the way but also braked to allow Sutil by. It is complete nonsense to me, but that is what they reported, and I have heard them say it before.

Anyone got anything concrete about the stewards instructions regarding who has right of way coming out of the pits?

[RacingManiac]

personally I think if Kimi has already been 4 wheels outside of the track, he has done enough....

[megz]

Hamilton is agressive in the right ways, he does not contact, he is Lewis the merciful, he gives the other drivers 2 options.. concede or face consequences. lol

I am yet to see Lewis do anything relating to hitting someone to end their race. All he does is position himself to herd the sheep onto the grass.
If they don't want to be droved they can brake.

This incident is not hamilton's fault, he cant be blamed for a rear ender, remeber piquet and buemi in monaco? Just plain bad luck.

Erm... Canada '08 anyone

[Michiba]

Hamilton is agressive in the right ways, he does not contact, he is Lewis the merciful, he gives the other drivers 2 options.. concede or face consequences. lol

I am yet to see Lewis do anything relating to hitting someone to end their race. All he does is position himself to herd the sheep onto the grass.
If they don't want to be droved they can brake.

This incident is not hamilton's fault, he cant be blamed for a rear ender, remeber piquet and buemi in monaco? Just plain bad luck.

Erm... Canada '08 anyone

And I am still very suspicious of his dubious driving in japan 07, but I guess that is debatable

[Richard]

This time, Hamilton's excessive aggressiveness worked against him, and he lost. If you risk all, sometimes you lose all.

Agreed. I was watching that approach to turn 1 thinking "slot into 3rd you idiot" ... but slotting safely into 3rd is what separates the ordinary driver from Senna and Schumacher.

I am firmly convinced Brawn has Button tagged as the number one driver.

Simply because he'd got the most race pace and points. However, I think Brawn approach each race with them having equal opportunity in terms of equipment, crew, data and strategy.

Rubens would have finished ahead of Button in Germany if his refuelling rig had worked because at that point he was on a 2 stop rather than the 3 for Button. I would say it was a mistake by the crew that they left Button's 3 stop fuel in the reserve rig. We saw it in the pit stop and heard them say it on the radio. Human error, not a conspiracy.

The incident in the earlier race (Spain?) was due to Rubens tyres graining more than Button, you could see it on the TV - probably due to a mix of driver style and luck. In that case it lost Rubens a place. The same happened to Button in Germany but because it was at the end of the race he couldn't be passed in a round of pit stops.

[ISLAMATRON]

This time, Hamilton's excessive aggressiveness worked against him, and he lost. If you risk all, sometimes you lose all.

Agreed. I was watching that approach to turn 1 thinking "slot into 3rd you idiot" ... but slotting safely into 3rd is what separates the ordinary driver from Senna and Schumacher.

Slot into third? when Webber was busy sideswiping RB? Had he braked any earlier Kovi would have probly run into the back of
him. He was obviously trying to slot into 2nd when webber caught his rear wheel.

Hamilton was not excessively aggressive at all, he just had better start than all of the car in front of him, same for Kovi who was third after the first turn.

[ISLAMATRON]

Webber apologizes to Hamilton

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/n ... 3647.shtml

Good on Webber... always liked him

[Giblet]

Ah, so it was Sutil's fault in fact. I retract my previous statements then.

Sutil's fault why?

Well it seems like he hit Kimi even though Kimi tried to move out of the way. Then again, it could be both are at fault.

The announcers stated something along the lines that there had been an incident at that corner before, and the stewards penalized the car coming out of the pits, as they should let the cars already on the racing line through.

Not sure of the rule, but there is precedent.

[djos]

Webber apologizes to Hamilton

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/n ... 3647.shtml

Good on Webber... always liked him

The Sign of a true Sportsman! =D>

[Ray]

Hamilton is agressive in the right ways, he does not contact, he is Lewis the merciful, he gives the other drivers 2 options.. concede or face consequences. lol

I am yet to see Lewis do anything relating to hitting someone to end their race. All he does is position himself to herd the sheep onto the grass.
If they don't want to be droved they can brake.

This incident is not hamilton's fault, he cant be blamed for a rear ender, remeber piquet and buemi in monaco? Just plain bad luck.

Erm... Canada '08 anyone

And I am still very suspicious of his dubious driving in japan 07, but I guess that is debatable

Don't forget him ramming Alonso in Bahrain last year taking off his rear wing. Not to mention all the complete morons trying to blame Alonso for it too.

[ringo]

Come on guys aggression is good for the sport. Alonso is aggressive when he is ready and webber is one of the most. I like those kind of drivers.
If i was an F1 pilot i wouldn't give a rats nipple piercing who i run off, after all we are all picking up a big fat multimillion dollar check at the end. I would make every driver work for his money
I liked how Hamilton man handled those guys in the instances mentioned. They did not like him off the track, so what's the point being nice on it?

Alonso is my second favorite driver, i don't like him, but i respect him. He deserved everything he got from Lewis. It only brings more passion into the next season.

2010 is going to be rocking if both these guys get a good car and webber is still in a good RBR to bring more antics to the front.

[Conceptual]

I guess that I always considered F1 racing more about finesse than aggression. I do not mind solid manouvers (JPM taking Schumacher in the Bus Stop in 2004?) that are unexpected, but I feel that when you are driving a $5M car, and so is your opponent, that the "let me pass or crash" moves have no place.

I think it was Alonso vs Heidfeld in Germany 2007 that really made up my mind about this, even tho Heidfeld said he wasn't upset by it.

I dunno, I am finding this years IndyCar races to be much better than F1. And that is a crying F-ing shame!