2023 Scuderia AlphaTauri F1 Team

[Bill]

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You try driving a car described by Lando as follows, and let me know how many points you score:



That is a bucket of crap if I ever heard of one!

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Well, according to you McLarens car was no good, Norris is no good, only Ricciardo is good!

Norris said last year that the car required a different driving behavior from the driver in every corner.
Norris was able to adjust his driving style accordingly, but Ricciardo could not.
A good driver can adapt to that. So can Max, Lewis, Lando and Alonso. Ricciardo is simply not a good driver.
That was way back in the day when the car was just that way so he could drive it well.

I'll leave it at that because you are such a huge Ricciardo fan that you are blind to reality.

That's complete BS, Lando is a superb driver, absolutely top shelf!

Norris however had the advantage of driving their cars for the last 5 years and has had time to adapt. Just look at him vs Piastri - Piastri is able to get the speed out of the car for 1 lap, but Norris destroys him over a race distance. Lando has developed his driving style around the badly flawed McLaren's so understands their flaws.

2022 was complete reset was the year of ground effect cars so what ever 5 year advantage lando had on driving mclaren cars did not apply to the new cars.

[djos]

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Well, according to you McLarens car was no good, Norris is no good, only Ricciardo is good!

Norris said last year that the car required a different driving behavior from the driver in every corner.
Norris was able to adjust his driving style accordingly, but Ricciardo could not.
A good driver can adapt to that. So can Max, Lewis, Lando and Alonso. Ricciardo is simply not a good driver.
That was way back in the day when the car was just that way so he could drive it well.

I'll leave it at that because you are such a huge Ricciardo fan that you are blind to reality.

That's complete BS, Lando is a superb driver, absolutely top shelf!

Norris however had the advantage of driving their cars for the last 5 years and has had time to adapt. Just look at him vs Piastri - Piastri is able to get the speed out of the car for 1 lap, but Norris destroys him over a race distance. Lando has developed his driving style around the badly flawed McLaren's so understands their flaws.

2022 was complete reset was the year of ground effect cars so what ever 5 year advantage lando had on driving mclaren cars did not apply to the new cars.

Norris is on record as saying the 2022 car carried over the issues from the previous years.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/lando-nor ... -for-years

“It’s just our car,” he told Sky Sports, “the characteristics of the car. The things we struggled with, the car doesn’t have enough front. For me, all I need is front. I don’t need rear tyres.

“But when I have front we can be quick.

“As soon as we destroy the front tyres, we were seconds off, or half a second, or one second off. So it’s just the characteristic the car relies on too much.

“But we know all of this. We’ve known it, it’s just been something we’ve had for years sadly and it’s our job to get rid of that for next season.”

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Well, according to you McLarens car was no good, Norris is no good, only Ricciardo is good!

Norris said last year that the car required a different driving behavior from the driver in every corner.
Norris was able to adjust his driving style accordingly, but Ricciardo could not.
A good driver can adapt to that. So can Max, Lewis, Lando and Alonso. Ricciardo is simply not a good driver.
That was way back in the day when the car was just that way so he could drive it well.

I'll leave it at that because you are such a huge Ricciardo fan that you are blind to reality.

That's complete BS, Lando is a superb driver, absolutely top shelf!

Norris however had the advantage of driving their cars for the last 5 years and has had time to adapt. Just look at him vs Piastri - Piastri is able to get the speed out of the car for 1 lap, but Norris destroys him over a race distance. Lando has developed his driving style around the badly flawed McLaren's so understands their flaws.

Look, we don't know how Daniel would go in the Red Bull, this year's, next year's, but it certainly looks like unless it's an easy car to drive fast, he won't manage it. Look at Checo, he won from almost last place in the pink car at Jeddah, yet in this year's Red Bull his ability to gel with the car has been patchy. Difficult cars are difficult for most drivers to tame, it doesn't bode well for Daniel to try matching him with a car that has been notoriously difficult for Gasly, Albon, and Perez.

Likewise we don't know the thinking in the minds of Horner and Marko, their driver choices have, even in retrospect, seemed in the main, bizarre and unsuccessful. Max has been their cornerstone since he got on terms with Daniel and Daniel was given unofficial number two status. Only on rare occasions have teammates of Max been able to do anything like what he can, and regularly does do. Because the cars develop in a way Max can extract tremendous pace, which means an extreme balancing act.

Lawson has been passed over by Red Bull for an AT spot enough times, including after proving he can be instantly on it, that it seems they have other ideas of what a Red Bull driver is and isn't. It also seems that most F1 insiders find it bizarre that the "other rookie sensation" of 2023 can't find a drive in spite of some pretty mediocre and ageing talent.

We do have a pretty good idea actually, just look at his Silverstone test, the times he did would have put him on the front row. Where did Checo start? I'll tell you, 15th!

https://www.planetf1.com/news/daniel-ri ... lap-report

[BMMR61]

That's complete BS, Lando is a superb driver, absolutely top shelf!

Norris however had the advantage of driving their cars for the last 5 years and has had time to adapt. Just look at him vs Piastri - Piastri is able to get the speed out of the car for 1 lap, but Norris destroys him over a race distance. Lando has developed his driving style around the badly flawed McLaren's so understands their flaws.

Look, we don't know how Daniel would go in the Red Bull, this year's, next year's, but it certainly looks like unless it's an easy car to drive fast, he won't manage it. Look at Checo, he won from almost last place in the pink car at Jeddah, yet in this year's Red Bull his ability to gel with the car has been patchy. Difficult cars are difficult for most drivers to tame, it doesn't bode well for Daniel to try matching him with a car that has been notoriously difficult for Gasly, Albon, and Perez.

Likewise we don't know the thinking in the minds of Horner and Marko, their driver choices have, even in retrospect, seemed in the main, bizarre and unsuccessful. Max has been their cornerstone since he got on terms with Daniel and Daniel was given unofficial number two status. Only on rare occasions have teammates of Max been able to do anything like what he can, and regularly does do. Because the cars develop in a way Max can extract tremendous pace, which means an extreme balancing act.

Lawson has been passed over by Red Bull for an AT spot enough times, including after proving he can be instantly on it, that it seems they have other ideas of what a Red Bull driver is and isn't. It also seems that most F1 insiders find it bizarre that the "other rookie sensation" of 2023 can't find a drive in spite of some pretty mediocre and ageing talent.

We do have a pretty good idea actually, just look at his Silverstone test, the times he did would have put him on the front row. Where did Checo start? I'll tell you, 15th!

https://www.planetf1.com/news/daniel-ri ... lap-report

The lap times achieved the day after the British GP are creditworthy - not indicative. It's quite common, owing to the build up of rubber, for the Saturday times to be beaten on the Monday if there's no washing of the circuit, it's simply track evolution. I like Daniel and wish him well.

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Liam Lawson rules out driving for Williams in 2024

“I am a Red Bull driver, all Red Bull places are occupied, and this unfortunately means that I will be a reserve driver for the time being.”

“Honestly, at the moment I'm just trying to cut as well as possible in these races. I think when my bet is over, I can start looking at how I've made myself and what options there are, but at the moment I'm focusing on these races.”

[basti313]

Look, we don't know how Daniel would go in the Red Bull, this year's, next year's, but it certainly looks like unless it's an easy car to drive fast, he won't manage it. Look at Checo, he won from almost last place in the pink car at Jeddah, yet in this year's Red Bull his ability to gel with the car has been patchy. Difficult cars are difficult for most drivers to tame, it doesn't bode well for Daniel to try matching him with a car that has been notoriously difficult for Gasly, Albon, and Perez.

Likewise we don't know the thinking in the minds of Horner and Marko, their driver choices have, even in retrospect, seemed in the main, bizarre and unsuccessful. Max has been their cornerstone since he got on terms with Daniel and Daniel was given unofficial number two status. Only on rare occasions have teammates of Max been able to do anything like what he can, and regularly does do. Because the cars develop in a way Max can extract tremendous pace, which means an extreme balancing act.

Lawson has been passed over by Red Bull for an AT spot enough times, including after proving he can be instantly on it, that it seems they have other ideas of what a Red Bull driver is and isn't. It also seems that most F1 insiders find it bizarre that the "other rookie sensation" of 2023 can't find a drive in spite of some pretty mediocre and ageing talent.

We do have a pretty good idea actually, just look at his Silverstone test, the times he did would have put him on the front row. Where did Checo start? I'll tell you, 15th!

https://www.planetf1.com/news/daniel-ri ... lap-report

The lap times achieved the day after the British GP are creditworthy - not indicative. It's quite common, owing to the build up of rubber, for the Saturday times to be beaten on the Monday if there's no washing of the circuit, it's simply track evolution. I like Daniel and wish him well.

They see in the data how much is the driver and how much is the track. I think you are right, that the times itself mean nothing. But how he was driving was enough to put him into the AT afterwards. And he was competitive in the AT immediately.
They also have sim data to judge...so I guess they have a good knowledge on how he would do in the RedBull.

And as mentioned in the RedBull thread: I think Checo has mostly an issue with setup. He was jumped on setup by Verstappen after Baku. I think there is a big question on this point in terms of performance in both directions...can Ric drive better with the setup that suits Ver? Or is the car for next year maybe better for Checo and they keep him exactly for this reason?
Many unknowns for us, but not for RedBull necessarily.

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They see in the data how much is the driver and how much is the track. I think you are right, that the times itself mean nothing. But how he was driving was enough to put him into the AT afterwards. And he was competitive in the AT immediately.
They also have sim data to judge...so I guess they have a good knowledge on how he would do in the RedBull.

And as mentioned in the RedBull thread: I think Checo has mostly an issue with setup. He was jumped on setup by Verstappen after Baku. I think there is a big question on this point in terms of performance in both directions...can Ric drive better with the setup that suits Ver? Or is the car for next year maybe better for Checo and they keep him exactly for this reason?
Many unknowns for us, but not for RedBull necessarily.

competitve vs yuki in the same way Lawson has been. Not exactly stellar

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As per racingnews365, Liam Lawson will race at the Qatar Grand Prix

https://racingnews365.nl/ricciardo-besc ... riere?s=09

[basti313]

They see in the data how much is the driver and how much is the track. I think you are right, that the times itself mean nothing. But how he was driving was enough to put him into the AT afterwards. And he was competitive in the AT immediately.
They also have sim data to judge...so I guess they have a good knowledge on how he would do in the RedBull.

And as mentioned in the RedBull thread: I think Checo has mostly an issue with setup. He was jumped on setup by Verstappen after Baku. I think there is a big question on this point in terms of performance in both directions...can Ric drive better with the setup that suits Ver? Or is the car for next year maybe better for Checo and they keep him exactly for this reason?
Many unknowns for us, but not for RedBull necessarily.

competitve vs yuki in the same way Lawson has been. Not exactly stellar

I think it is stellar:
- They jumped into the car without any pre season testing. We saw on Stroll, that this basically killed him for this season.
- Especially Lawson jumped into the car without any F1 preparation. To me it is remarkable that he was able to keep the tires together in Japan.
- Anyone who came into F1 in the last years (ok, no direct example for Ric...maybe Hulk) was slaughtered on exactly the point of tire usage.

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They see in the data how much is the driver and how much is the track. I think you are right, that the times itself mean nothing. But how he was driving was enough to put him into the AT afterwards. And he was competitive in the AT immediately.
They also have sim data to judge...so I guess they have a good knowledge on how he would do in the RedBull.

And as mentioned in the RedBull thread: I think Checo has mostly an issue with setup. He was jumped on setup by Verstappen after Baku. I think there is a big question on this point in terms of performance in both directions...can Ric drive better with the setup that suits Ver? Or is the car for next year maybe better for Checo and they keep him exactly for this reason?
Many unknowns for us, but not for RedBull necessarily.

competitve vs yuki in the same way Lawson has been. Not exactly stellar

I think it is stellar:
- They jumped into the car without any pre season testing. We saw on Stroll, that this basically killed him for this season.
- Especially Lawson jumped into the car without any F1 preparation. To me it is remarkable that he was able to keep the tires together in Japan.
- Anyone who came into F1 in the last years (ok, no direct example for Ric...maybe Hulk) was slaughtered on exactly the point of tire usage.

Zhou was fine in terms of tyre wear. On bottas' level or thereabouts in race pace within half a season.

Mick as well was on pace with Kmag's race pace when he wasn't binning the car

[Wouter]

As per racingnews365, Liam Lawson will race at the Qatar Grand Prix

https://racingnews365.nl/ricciardo-besc ... riere?s=09

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Could you quote where that is written? I can't find it. This is an old article recycled from the Talking Bull Podcast.

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As per racingnews365, Liam Lawson will race at the Qatar Grand Prix

https://racingnews365.nl/ricciardo-besc ... riere?s=09

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Could you quote where that is written? I can't find it. This is an old article recycled from the Talking Bull Podcast.

Can't find it now - maybe a deleted article? Motorsport.com, a better source, have said similar things already

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ricc ... /10523492/

[Wouter]

As per racingnews365, Liam Lawson will race at the Qatar Grand Prix

https://racingnews365.nl/ricciardo-besc ... riere?s=09

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Could you quote where that is written? I can't find it. This is an old article recycled from the Talking Bull Podcast.

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Can't find it now - maybe a deleted article? Motorsport.com, a better source, have said similar things already

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ricc ... /10523492/

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The link you posted is still working and that article still exists.
"racingnews365.nl/ricciardo-beschrijft-meest-uitdagende-moment-uit-f1-carriere"
The Motorsport article is from September 22. So 5 days old and speculating about the Lawson/Ricciardo case.
At that moment Ricciardo was in Australia and didn't give an update about his condition.

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Could you quote where that is written? I can't find it. This is an old article recycled from the Talking Bull Podcast.

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Can't find it now - maybe a deleted article? Motorsport.com, a better source, have said similar things already

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ricc ... /10523492/

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The link you posted is still working and that article still exists.
"racingnews365.nl/ricciardo-beschrijft-meest-uitdagende-moment-uit-f1-carriere"
The Motorsport article is from September 22. So 5 days old and speculating about the Lawson/Ricciardo case.
At that moment Ricciardo was in Australia and didn't give an update about his condition.

The original quote from Racingnews365 I don't have. Clearly the article originally linked didn't have it. News aggregators claimed racingnews365 said this which was why I posted it. I've looked for the quote from one of their articles but can't find it. It's possible one of their journalists has said it in a podcast or on their private twitter accounts, but I didn't see the quote. It's also possible it was a deleted article that the quote was from.

[basti313]

competitve vs yuki in the same way Lawson has been. Not exactly stellar

I think it is stellar:
- They jumped into the car without any pre season testing. We saw on Stroll, that this basically killed him for this season.
- Especially Lawson jumped into the car without any F1 preparation. To me it is remarkable that he was able to keep the tires together in Japan.
- Anyone who came into F1 in the last years (ok, no direct example for Ric...maybe Hulk) was slaughtered on exactly the point of tire usage.

Zhou was fine in terms of tyre wear. On bottas' level or thereabouts in race pace within half a season.

Mick as well was on pace with Kmag's race pace when he wasn't binning the car

What do you mean with that post? Both had a full pre-season testing and preparation aswell seasons on the Pirellis in F2 before. So I do not see a comparison?