2023 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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Also there is part of truth in that he slacks too much for his own good. It's ok to have personal life outside of F1, and lots of it, if you've got results to back it up. This was heavily implied in his case by flying back to mexico as soon as race ends and showing up just before the next race. However you then can't go on and play nationality card every time you f**k up and you get drilled for it. It doesn't make any difference at all where you are from. He should be in the sim night and day, working with personnel in better understanding the car etc etc... And if he can't do that then he can be shown the door and go cry in his national press for decades to come, just as most bitter and sub-par former f1 drivers usually do.

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Are Sargeant and Stroll Mexican? lol.

Sure there may be a small faction of anti-Mexican fans, but I suspect more of the criticism is simply coming from underperformance combined with all of the pent-up frustration by some factions who desire to see Verstappen defeated by a teammate. I
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"He crashed on the last lap fighting for second place, but nobody talked about it. When it happens at Red Bull, there are immediately
three hundred media saying you have to be replaced," Perez explained during an event at the Ford Mexico campus.
"This kind of thing happens a lot in F1 and that's how it works in a team environment,
but I think it also has a lot of influence that I am Mexican."

"I am very lucky to be Mexican and to have all this support that very few drivers have had in the history of the sport. I am proud
to represent my country all over the world."
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I can see there's huge pride for each driver in their country of origin, and rightly so in all sporting activities. I wouldn't attribute that national axis to the negative comments about Perez though, more generally significant negative reporting out of scale and proportion to this year's performance.

I do see Perez point about Russe too, and think he has valid view on the bias in reporting. GR crashed, Williams under safety car ? Imola, crashed the MB of Bottas Imola, and then physically assaulted Botas while still in his wrecked car, crashed in Silverstone in causing Gahnyou to to be involved in serious accident, crashed in Canada without any outside influence, crashed from race in Singapore while under pressure........and I get the sense that MB promote the light considerate treatment of GR in the press as looking after him under pressure as he's somehow vulnerable ? It doesn't sit well on GR record I believe, Perez makes very valid point in this case. Somehow GR seems to be protected from "the nasty press" coverage under these circumstances.

Looks like considerable bias in reporting to me too.

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British drivers enjoy the British media bias which in F1 is simply enormous

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Russell is more protected, because he shows higher performance than Perez. He can generally challenge Hamilton, at least on qualies and closer to him during races. Nobody would like to fire Perez, if he would be as close to Max, as George is to Lewis. This has absolutely nothing to do with his nationality, actually it is pretty cringe that Checo brings this up as an excuse.

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Wouter wrote:
01 Oct 2023, 17:45
"He crashed on the last lap fighting for second place, but nobody talked about it. When it happens at Red Bull, there are immediately
three hundred media saying you have to be replaced," Perez explained during an event at the Ford Mexico campus.
"This kind of thing happens a lot in F1 and that's how it works in a team environment,
but I think it also has a lot of influence that I am Mexican."

"I am very lucky to be Mexican and to have all this support that very few drivers have had in the history of the sport. I am proud
to represent my country all over the world."
WOW. That quote in the picture is MASSIVELY taken out of proportion. Literally misses out the full context of the quoted lines.
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chrisc90 wrote:
01 Oct 2023, 18:50
Wouter wrote:
01 Oct 2023, 17:45
"He crashed on the last lap fighting for second place, but nobody talked about it. When it happens at Red Bull, there are immediately
three hundred media saying you have to be replaced," Perez explained during an event at the Ford Mexico campus.
"This kind of thing happens a lot in F1 and that's how it works in a team environment,
but I think it also has a lot of influence that I am Mexican."

"I am very lucky to be Mexican and to have all this support that very few drivers have had in the history of the sport. I am proud
to represent my country all over the world."
WOW. That quote in the picture is MASSIVELY taken out of proportion. Literally misses out the full context of the quoted lines.
Absolutely. Which is why I wrote “if the quote is accurate” which it clearly isn’t. the media poisons everything with its selective narrative. Awful 😞

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Very much so.

Odd from a Indian outlet - its more of a quote you would see put out from a British outlet.
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Some quotes from Norris about accusations of car being built around drivers, something that's relevant and constantly talked about with RB

“It’s not down to the team to just make a car design for a person. Maybe that's a perfect world. It’s our job to deliver no matter what the car is. Max said something very similar the other day after Toto made the comment about the Red Bull.

I don't think you can just design a car for someone. It just doesn't work like that. It's very much down to the driver to drive the car they’re given.

I think this way, if I end up being slower than my team-mates because of whatever reason, then I'm not doing a good enough job.

It’s as simple as that. It's the driver's job. That's why we're here.

For me, the most important thing is to make a quick car, I think what people fail to understand sometimes from the outside is that a driver's job is to drive whatever car they are given as quickly as possible.

Yes, you want the car to be nice to you and suit you. But drivers get paid enough money to make the best of every circumstance."

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Paa wrote:
01 Oct 2023, 18:17
Russell is more protected, because he shows higher performance than Perez. He can generally challenge Hamilton, at least on qualies and closer to him during races. Nobody would like to fire Perez, if he would be as close to Max, as George is to Lewis. This has absolutely nothing to do with his nationality, actually it is pretty cringe that Checo brings this up as an excuse.
It can't be made about performance either! There's a marked difference in how one is reported in comparison to the other, unfairly in my view.

And so, you're saying GR should be excused full scrutiny based on his performance against LH.......really, no, REALLY :wtf:

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wogx wrote:
01 Oct 2023, 16:39
https://i.imgur.com/NnOZJq1.png
He's taking a page out of Marko's book.
The media cannot tell the difference between Mexico and South America anyway. :mrgreen:
I also think Russel has been under the spotlight more than Perez. Perez has under delivered way more than Russel. In fact Russel isnt under delivering, he's just voluntarily taking risks. So Perez theory is way off.
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Russell under the spotlight more than Perez? Hahaha

He's been in a forgettable position for more than half of the races this year, often not fighting anyone

While Perez has the car that won 10 races in a row in his teammate's hands and he's going out in qualifying before Q3 5 races in a row. He's been under a microscope in the media. For the first 10 race weekends or so every F1 related podcast spent at least 10 minutes talking about Perez's performance be that good (at the start) or bad (after the first few rounds)

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Juzh wrote:
01 Oct 2023, 17:27
Also there is part of truth in that he slacks too much for his own good. It's ok to have personal life outside of F1, and lots of it, if you've got results to back it up. This was heavily implied in his case by flying back to mexico as soon as race ends and showing up just before the next race. However you then can't go on and play nationality card every time you f**k up and you get drilled for it. It doesn't make any difference at all where you are from. He should be in the sim night and day, working with personnel in better understanding the car etc etc... And if he can't do that then he can be shown the door and go cry in his national press for decades to come, just as most bitter and sub-par former f1 drivers usually do.
Maybe he has outgrown the sport to deliver the maximum. He has his family and nothing is wrong with that. But he should choose them or F-1. F1 has changed so much over the years in terms of how elite an athlete is. And in today's F1, if you are not a below 27 year old without children, or someone who cannot commit evrry waking minute to F1, you wont be able to able to compete with the best. This id Perez's problem. He simply is not like the new generation where F1 has to be your life.
Russel, Norris, Max, Albon etc. are cut from a different cloth. F1 has shifted to a young man's sport like so many other sports have like track, tennis, basketball etc. He could stay in F1 and not be under the spotlight if he goes back to the midfeild. Such a drive would give a better work life balance.
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ringo wrote:
01 Oct 2023, 19:14
Juzh wrote:
01 Oct 2023, 17:27
Also there is part of truth in that he slacks too much for his own good. It's ok to have personal life outside of F1, and lots of it, if you've got results to back it up. This was heavily implied in his case by flying back to mexico as soon as race ends and showing up just before the next race. However you then can't go on and play nationality card every time you f**k up and you get drilled for it. It doesn't make any difference at all where you are from. He should be in the sim night and day, working with personnel in better understanding the car etc etc... And if he can't do that then he can be shown the door and go cry in his national press for decades to come, just as most bitter and sub-par former f1 drivers usually do.
Maybe he has outgrown the sport to deliver the maximum. He has his family and nothing is wrong with that. But he should choose them or F-1. F1 has changed so much over the years in terms of how elite an athlete is. And in today's F1, if you are not a below 27 year old without children, or someone who cannot commit evrry waking minute to F1, you wont be able to able to compete with the best. This id Perez's problem. He simply is not like the new generation where F1 has to be your life.
Russel, Norris, Max, Albon etc. are cut from a different cloth. F1 has shifted to a young man's sport like so many other sports have like track, tennis, basketball etc. He could stay in F1 and not be under the spotlight if he goes back to the midfeild. Such a drive would give a better work life balance.
Nailed it Ringo