2023 Qatar Grand Prix - Lusail, Oct 06 - 08

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F1NAC wrote:
07 Oct 2023, 16:17
Norris crumbled again. 2nd qualies in the row on the same weekend. You won’t win any races with drives like this fella
crumbled? he starts 2nd

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This order will make for an interesting sprint.
A lion must kill its prey.

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Re: 2023 Qatar Grand Prix - Lusail, Oct 06 - 08

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Here's your tyre allocation and number of laps from F1Tv.




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dialtone wrote:
07 Oct 2023, 16:21
F1NAC wrote:
07 Oct 2023, 16:17
Norris crumbled again. 2nd qualies in the row on the same weekend. You won’t win any races with drives like this fella
crumbled? he starts 2nd
Well, his only opponent was basically his rookie teammate. He’s lucky they are a bit quicker than rest (not counting ver)

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F1NAC wrote:
07 Oct 2023, 16:56
dialtone wrote:
07 Oct 2023, 16:21
F1NAC wrote:
07 Oct 2023, 16:17
Norris crumbled again. 2nd qualies in the row on the same weekend. You won’t win any races with drives like this fella
crumbled? he starts 2nd
Well, his only opponent was basically his rookie teammate. He’s lucky they are a bit quicker than rest (not counting ver)
Mah, they had a good banker and then on the last lap he took more chances and made mistakes both days, not ideal but crumbling seems exaggerated, as you said he had no pressure outside his team mate.

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dialtone wrote:
07 Oct 2023, 17:04
F1NAC wrote:
07 Oct 2023, 16:56
dialtone wrote:
07 Oct 2023, 16:21


crumbled? he starts 2nd
Well, his only opponent was basically his rookie teammate. He’s lucky they are a bit quicker than rest (not counting ver)
Mah, they had a good banker and then on the last lap he took more chances and made mistakes both days, not ideal but crumbling seems exaggerated, as you said he had no pressure outside his team mate.
completely agree, especially about today. He wanted to beat Verstappen and went for it, which was completely fine, having a Top 3 secured already the prior lap.

Norris probably didn't know that he was only fighting Piastri in the end, who was a tenth or two behind after S2 already.

Question is how McLaren will handle this now. If they want to win the sprint, they should probably wave him through asap, but that's of course a thing you don't normally do.

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search wrote:
07 Oct 2023, 17:11
dialtone wrote:
07 Oct 2023, 17:04
F1NAC wrote:
07 Oct 2023, 16:56

Well, his only opponent was basically his rookie teammate. He’s lucky they are a bit quicker than rest (not counting ver)
Mah, they had a good banker and then on the last lap he took more chances and made mistakes both days, not ideal but crumbling seems exaggerated, as you said he had no pressure outside his team mate.
completely agree, especially about today. He wanted to beat Verstappen and went for it, which was completely fine, having a Top 3 secured already the prior lap.

Norris probably didn't know that he was only fighting Piastri in the end, who was a tenth or two behind after S2 already.

Question is how McLaren will handle this now. If they want to win the sprint, they should probably wave him through asap, but that's of course a thing you don't normally do.
There's the start to navigate first. Norris is on the dirty side and a long run to T1

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organic wrote:
07 Oct 2023, 17:21
search wrote:
07 Oct 2023, 17:11
dialtone wrote:
07 Oct 2023, 17:04


Mah, they had a good banker and then on the last lap he took more chances and made mistakes both days, not ideal but crumbling seems exaggerated, as you said he had no pressure outside his team mate.
completely agree, especially about today. He wanted to beat Verstappen and went for it, which was completely fine, having a Top 3 secured already the prior lap.

Norris probably didn't know that he was only fighting Piastri in the end, who was a tenth or two behind after S2 already.

Question is how McLaren will handle this now. If they want to win the sprint, they should probably wave him through asap, but that's of course a thing you don't normally do.
There's the start to navigate first. Norris is on the dirty side and a long run to T1
More likely than not Verstappen will be P2 by turn 2.

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Cs98 wrote:
07 Oct 2023, 17:30
organic wrote:
07 Oct 2023, 17:21
search wrote:
07 Oct 2023, 17:11


completely agree, especially about today. He wanted to beat Verstappen and went for it, which was completely fine, having a Top 3 secured already the prior lap.

Norris probably didn't know that he was only fighting Piastri in the end, who was a tenth or two behind after S2 already.

Question is how McLaren will handle this now. If they want to win the sprint, they should probably wave him through asap, but that's of course a thing you don't normally do.
There's the start to navigate first. Norris is on the dirty side and a long run to T1
More likely than not Verstappen will be P2 by turn 2.
Could be trouble with Russell to his inside.
A lion must kill its prey.

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AR3-GP wrote:
07 Oct 2023, 17:36
Cs98 wrote:
07 Oct 2023, 17:30
organic wrote:
07 Oct 2023, 17:21


There's the start to navigate first. Norris is on the dirty side and a long run to T1
More likely than not Verstappen will be P2 by turn 2.
Could be trouble with Russell to his inside.
practice for sunday in that regard... But it could be a Mexico 2021 rerun

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We knew it was coming but still, tremendously ironic timing.

Qatar Grand Prix: Pirelli to be awarded new F1 tyre deal
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/67041380

The contract runs from 2025-27, with an option for a further year in 2028.

Bridgestone was approved as a potential supplier by governing body the FIA but commercial discussions saw F1 chairman Stefano Domenicali choose Pirelli.

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This is from Max's second SQ3 run

Mighty close to starting the sprint from 10th there

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Rear tyre sidewall puts him within track limits

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Something I do not quite understand. The penalty for track limits was meant to be in spirit "leaving the track and gaining an advantage". So if this was the intent of the rule those that are running really wide such as Norris in the last turn should still keep their lap time despite going off track as no advantage was gained.

Why is this important?
I think this is important because when those that have had all their times deleted have to decide on which order to start there might have actually been valid lap times that could have been referenced to decide that quite fairly and honestly.

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Thing is you gain an advantage as you can carry more speed through the corner whilst keeping the car as straight as possible.

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AR3-GP wrote:
07 Oct 2023, 17:36
Cs98 wrote:
07 Oct 2023, 17:30
organic wrote:
07 Oct 2023, 17:21


There's the start to navigate first. Norris is on the dirty side and a long run to T1
More likely than not Verstappen will be P2 by turn 2.
Could be trouble with Russell to his inside.
Yeah like Russell the crashboy