2023 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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mini season since Mclaren were challenging RB from Austria.
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Perez did have a sort of benchmark today: after the drop down of RUS to basically the last position after the contact with his teammate, they both were starting at the back. And look were RUS ended up, with most probably a car with at least a few tenth less pace. PER may be didn't want to take the risk like last race where he collided trying to cut the field.

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Perez had to fit different spec parts after the crash yesterday. Making it more difficult. That crash itself also wasn’t really on him. These are mitigating factors and again also unlucky. But yes, shocking when you also see Max going around.

Lewis may have thrown away P2 in the end standings today, but then Perez does still need to step up.

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Sieper wrote:
08 Oct 2023, 22:42
Perez had to fit different spec parts after the crash yesterday. Making it more difficult. That crash itself also wasn’t really on him. These are mitigating factors and again also unlucky. But yes, shocking when you also see Max going around.

Lewis may have thrown away P2 in the end standings today, but then Perez does still need to step up.
Under normal circumstances I'd say it is unacceptable RB is unable to completely rebuild one car to same optimal spec no matter the damage suffered, but given the sheer amount of accidents Perez has suffered this year it's actually not that difficult to imagine given cost cap implications. I just hope all these crashes do not too severely impact bottom line.

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Austin is a sprint race. #-o
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AR3-GP wrote:
08 Oct 2023, 23:16
Austin is a sprint race. #-o
The track should suit the car though. You need a good compromise between high speed cornering and traction

Only issue should be the bumps that COTA is notorious for.

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organic wrote:
08 Oct 2023, 23:24
AR3-GP wrote:
08 Oct 2023, 23:16
Austin is a sprint race. #-o
The track should suit the car though. You need a good compromise between high speed cornering and traction

Only issue should be the bumps that COTA is notorious for.
Yes but they'll have 1 session to build the setup. So you never really see the car at full strength but instead just the friday guess. Like Qatar, I think it's potentially limiting. Checo will not benefit from that either...
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AR3-GP wrote:
08 Oct 2023, 23:26
organic wrote:
08 Oct 2023, 23:24
AR3-GP wrote:
08 Oct 2023, 23:16
Austin is a sprint race. #-o
The track should suit the car though. You need a good compromise between high speed cornering and traction

Only issue should be the bumps that COTA is notorious for.
Yes but they'll have 1 session to build the setup. So you never really see the car at full strength but instead just the friday guess. Like Qatar, I think it's potentially limiting. Checo will not benefit from that either...
The team would benefit from Checo performing worse, Lewis better and then they can leverage a better driver into the seat sooner rather than later. It'll cost them if the car isn't a rocketship next year

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Perez is on four children now, wasn't there someone saying that you lose a quarter of a second for each child? This is of course hyperbole, but having children I feel will take a great deal of your computing power away from a sport where you have to be fanatically dedicated to succeed in...

He just feels completely washed out, I hope the decision has already been made to replace him.

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I think Perez is gone and they're just waiting until the end of the season to announce it

It's clear that for RB this is not quite working out, and frankly for Checo it's not working out either. He seems mentally checked out - frankly he is driving as if he has already been told internally that he won't have a seat next year.

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Bring on Ricciardo I guess. That's realistically the only available option. Assuming he handily defeats Tsunoda...
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Juzh wrote:
08 Oct 2023, 23:02
Sieper wrote:
08 Oct 2023, 22:42
Perez had to fit different spec parts after the crash yesterday. Making it more difficult. That crash itself also wasn’t really on him. These are mitigating factors and again also unlucky. But yes, shocking when you also see Max going around.

Lewis may have thrown away P2 in the end standings today, but then Perez does still need to step up.
Under normal circumstances I'd say it is unacceptable RB is unable to completely rebuild one car to same optimal spec no matter the damage suffered, but given the sheer amount of accidents Perez has suffered this year it's actually not that difficult to imagine given cost cap implications. I just hope all these crashes do not too severely impact bottom line.
Good point. He is the reason they got into the part situation. Potentially even Max could suffer due to it too. Direct if he needs part and indirect as budget is spent on it. Budget they need otherwise.

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chrisc90 wrote:
08 Oct 2023, 21:46
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mini season since Mclaren were challenging RB from Austria.
Perez pts in last 3 races: 5

Norris pts in last 3 races: 57

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Juzh wrote:
08 Oct 2023, 23:02
Sieper wrote:
08 Oct 2023, 22:42
Perez had to fit different spec parts after the crash yesterday. Making it more difficult. That crash itself also wasn’t really on him. These are mitigating factors and again also unlucky. But yes, shocking when you also see Max going around.

Lewis may have thrown away P2 in the end standings today, but then Perez does still need to step up.
Under normal circumstances I'd say it is unacceptable RB is unable to completely rebuild one car to same optimal spec no matter the damage suffered, but given the sheer amount of accidents Perez has suffered this year it's actually not that difficult to imagine given cost cap implications. I just hope all these crashes do not too severely impact bottom line.
Perez is estimated to be competing with Sargeant at the top of the destructors championship in terms of damage cost...if RB wanted Sargeant's bill, they would have hired him directly... :lol:

I'm certain Perez is done at the end of the season.
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What Verstappen certainly learned is how more and more closer McLaren is getting. The team was actually the only one posing a relative danger to Red Bull. That was not for the first time this season. "Through the year, McLaren is definitely making great strides. From our side, we will try to improve maybe a little bit this year, but of course, mainly, we are looking at next year."
1 more upgrade for RB?
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/242209/v ... weird.html
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