2023 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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Getting rid of yuki while perez is mucking around in the fastest car make perfect sense .yuki has been quicker than perez in quali on 2 of the last 3 races while driving one of the slowest car in the grid.telcel has kept perez in f1 for so long they have been better drivers who are no longer around.

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I'd like to see Yuki in the RB19 for a FP1 before writing him off. Tost has had a huge impact on that young man.

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Zynerji wrote:
15 Oct 2023, 02:12
I'd like to see Yuki in the RB19 for a FP1 before writing him off. Tost has had a huge impact on that young man.
He can't be considered a rookie so he won't be allowed to drive an FP1 for them. However, starting next year, the RB18 would be eligible for driver testing.
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For such a top professional sport with huge dependancy on whether a drivers capability to cope with the type of car given it's very strange a team would not immediately swap a driver if he cant handle that years car or development direction. If RB doesn't want to take 2 types of cars to the track they shouldn't take a driver with them who cant drive that car properly. I cannot imagine that within the entire GP2 and GP3 field there wouldn't be a single driver that can handle a front end oriented car. You would basically drive in no mans land for the entire race so your races wouldnt be too difficult..

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The big interview with the 2023 Formula 1 world champion: How Max Verstappen won the title in Qatar,
where all his trophies are and why he still gets emotional when he thinks of the late Red Bull founder Dietrich Mateschitz.

Also: Formula 1 legend Gerhard Berger on the character traits that make Verstappen so special and set him apart from others.

You can choose your own subtitling.


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Wouter wrote:
14 Oct 2023, 11:34
Cs98 wrote:
14 Oct 2023, 11:03
Marko was the go between for the team and Mateschitz, so he doesn't really serve a purpose anymore. I strongly suspect his tenure is coming to an end after this season. He's certainly not Horner's man.
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Marko is now the link between Mintzlaff and Horner btw.

What do you think about Horners behaviour?
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Tension between Christian Horner and Helmut Marko, Didi Mateschitz's former right-hand man , has long existed.
But the struggle for power increased with the death of the tycoon.
And Horner has been trying to get rid of Marko for some time to take control of the group's Formula One operation as a whole.
The English chief executive already has a big influence at AlphaTauri: he participated in most decisions about drivers
and the change of directors - including the arrival of new CEO Peter Bayer
If the rumours are true then it shows that redbull are heading in the wrong direction .the porsche deal failed because of power struggles may horner and some show the writing on the wall that they will small fish in a pond populated by big sharks.what may be good for an individual may not be best for the whole redbull entity.

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Bill wrote:
15 Oct 2023, 14:59
Wouter wrote:
14 Oct 2023, 11:34
Cs98 wrote:
14 Oct 2023, 11:03
Marko was the go between for the team and Mateschitz, so he doesn't really serve a purpose anymore. I strongly suspect his tenure is coming to an end after this season. He's certainly not Horner's man.
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Marko is now the link between Mintzlaff and Horner btw.

What do you think about Horners behaviour?
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Tension between Christian Horner and Helmut Marko, Didi Mateschitz's former right-hand man , has long existed.
But the struggle for power increased with the death of the tycoon.
And Horner has been trying to get rid of Marko for some time to take control of the group's Formula One operation as a whole.
The English chief executive already has a big influence at AlphaTauri: he participated in most decisions about drivers
and the change of directors - including the arrival of new CEO Peter Bayer
.
If the rumours are true then it shows that redbull are heading in the wrong direction .the porsche deal failed because of power struggles may horner and some show the writing on the wall that they will small fish in a pond populated by big sharks.what may be good for an individual may not be best for the whole redbull entity.
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Dietrich Mateschitz (49% shares) and Helmut Marko wanted to continue with Porsche. The Thai branch of Red Bull GmbH (51%) and Horner wanted to continue with Ford. So it became Ford.
Horner and the Thai people wanted Peter Bayer as CEO at AlphaTauri and he got the job.
Now Horner wants to bring Ricciardo back to RBR, he has always been his favorite. Here again the Thai people were decisive
and not Helmut Marko with the Austrian branch (only 49%) of Red Bull GmbH.
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so its true they are power struggles.daniel has his chance Horner is leaving in the past ,people say Ric is good at marketing maybe they should elaborate what they really mean

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Bill wrote:
15 Oct 2023, 15:41
so its true they are power struggles.daniel has his chance Horner is leaving in the past,people say Ric is good at marketing maybe they should elaborate what they really mean
Ric is popular on social media. Horner might be living the past, but the present (Perez) is not sustainable.
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AR3-GP wrote:
15 Oct 2023, 15:44
Bill wrote:
15 Oct 2023, 15:41
so its true they are power struggles.daniel has his chance Horner is leaving in the past,people say Ric is good at marketing maybe they should elaborate what they really mean
Ric is popular on social media. Horner might be living the past, but the present (Perez) is not sustainable.
but does that translate into real tangible business profits .redbull would like to think of themself as young , cool and adventures but who real buy their products is a bunch truckers ,far removed from their glossy image

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AR3-GP wrote:
15 Oct 2023, 02:54
Zynerji wrote:
15 Oct 2023, 02:12
I'd like to see Yuki in the RB19 for a FP1 before writing him off. Tost has had a huge impact on that young man.
He can't be considered a rookie so he won't be allowed to drive an FP1 for them. However, starting next year, the RB18 would be eligible for driver testing.
He is a RedBull driver as they all are so it's certainly possible for him to drive an FP1 for RB in short notice and switch back to AT for FP2.... There was a driver that recently did this too! i can't remember if it was Devires with Aston Martin and Williams?
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PlatinumZealot wrote:
15 Oct 2023, 16:29
AR3-GP wrote:
15 Oct 2023, 02:54
Zynerji wrote:
15 Oct 2023, 02:12
I'd like to see Yuki in the RB19 for a FP1 before writing him off. Tost has had a huge impact on that young man.
He can't be considered a rookie so he won't be allowed to drive an FP1 for them. However, starting next year, the RB18 would be eligible for driver testing.
He is a RedBull driver as they all are so it's certainly possible for him to drive an FP1 for RB in short notice and switch back to AT for FP2.... There was a driver that recently did this too! i can't remember if it was Devires with Aston Martin and Williams?
It is absolutely possible and legal... I think they just have little reason to do it. They know how good he is internally using simulator times and recent comparisons against Ricciardo and Lawson in the same car.

I think they simply don't see him having a serious future at RB so why bother risking the car and hurting their setup time just to confirm what they already know? Especially now that the 2nd fastest team is closer than ever. It could've been Yuki doing that RB19 test at Silverstone a while back but it was Ricciardo because he's someone that could be a contender for Perez's seat.. Yuki isn't

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AR3-GP wrote:
15 Oct 2023, 02:54
Zynerji wrote:
15 Oct 2023, 02:12
I'd like to see Yuki in the RB19 for a FP1 before writing him off. Tost has had a huge impact on that young man.
He can't be considered a rookie so he won't be allowed to drive an FP1 for them. However, starting next year, the RB18 would be eligible for driver testing.
I think he does not need the rookie title ro srive the car.
Being a redbull driver couls be enough?
George Russel filled in for Hamilton while driving for Williams.
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Bill wrote:but does that translate into real tangible business profits .redbull would like to think of themself as young , cool and adventures but who real buy their products is a bunch truckers ,far removed from their glossy image
I'm gonna be blunt here, but you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.

Red Bull is mostly something young people drink. According to the National Center for Complementary and Integrative Health in the US, men between ages 18 - 34 consume the most energy drinks, and one-third of teens ages 12-17 drink energy drinks regularly.
In fact, the popularity of energy drinks amongst teenagers has made some governments in Europe considering banning the sale of energy drinks to underage kids. Poland banned it for under 18s this year, and other governments are considering the same or similar. Wales is considering an under 16 sales ban, and politicians in Denmark talk about it too. Some schools have already taken matters into their own hand and banned the drinks on school grounds.

In addition, I work in the night life industry, and Red Bull is extremely popular drink also for under 25s. It's most commonly purchased with Vodka or Jägermeister. Ignoring beer, which is our most sold product, the amount of Red Bull we sell in the company i work for is extreme, and it's mostly sold to younger people (older people typically have a taste for Whiskey or Gin & Tonic).

So no, the primary consumer group for Red Bull is not "a bunch of truckers". Red Bull know their audience, far better than you do. That much is obvious.