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chrisc90 wrote:
22 Oct 2023, 14:40
Spoutnik wrote:
22 Oct 2023, 14:36
chrisc90 wrote:
22 Oct 2023, 14:30
How much pace does Max have in reserve if he actually needs to push the tyres? That's the key thing to take from this sprint/all season. How little reserve Max has left will be how much of a chance Lewis has (albeit I think Lando might be ahead of Lewis in the race).

Dont forget, Max was around 7tenths a lap quicker in the closing stages.

Lando and possibly charles are Lewis' races today, in my opinion. A podium will be the place to aim towards for them both.
I don't think Charles will match Norris or Hamilton pace, especially with an heavier car than yersteday. The big issue for these two will be to overtake Charles - if they don't manage to do it on the first lap - because the top speed of that Ferrari is pretty amazing and it has a very good traction too. Charles race is against Perez, Piastri, Russell & his teammate imo, he's aiming for P4 probably.
Ferrari was on the end of its tyres in the sprint - so whether a sorter stint on the mediums will help we dont know. I wonder if the race pace will be a second or so slower given more fuel and a longer distance. As in 1:41's rather than the 40's.

We'll see, Ferrari will be fast on the straights with the lower downforce, but it'll need to look after its tyres in doing so. I think if a Ferrari is within the slipstream/ or DRS of a car infront, it'll be neigh on impossible to overtake on the straight.
Ofc you can make the stint shorter, but even if you do that, the car will be heavier. We can't now but I think even with a much shorter Sprint Race if Norris was in clear air earlier he would've catch Leclerc pretty fast.

Nevertheless I agree with you the traction of the Ferrari + the top speed will make turn 1 absolutely critical for anyone who want to beat Max for the win.

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chrisc90 wrote:
22 Oct 2023, 14:30
How much pace does Max have in reserve if he actually needs to push the tyres? That's the key thing to take from this sprint/all season. How little reserve Max has left will be how much of a chance Lewis has (albeit I think Lando might be ahead of Lewis in the race).

Dont forget, Max was around 7tenths a lap quicker in the closing stages.

Lando and possibly charles are Lewis' races today, in my opinion. A podium will be the place to aim towards for them both.
Max isn't the kind of driver that keeps massive margins. He pushes because that's fundamentally what he enjoys about the sport. It's not the wheel to wheel stuff, or the managing, it's about perfecting his lines and driving as fast as he can. He won't take stupid risks obviously and he will follow the game plan if it involves some management, but the notion that he's keeping massive reserves is not in his character. He would be bored out of his mind driving like that. Max is not a complicated character, he likes to drive fast, what you see is usually what there is.

(Sorry, this is a bit off topic, thought it was the race thread).

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Spoutnik wrote:
22 Oct 2023, 14:36
chrisc90 wrote:
22 Oct 2023, 14:30
How much pace does Max have in reserve if he actually needs to push the tyres? That's the key thing to take from this sprint/all season. How little reserve Max has left will be how much of a chance Lewis has (albeit I think Lando might be ahead of Lewis in the race).

Dont forget, Max was around 7tenths a lap quicker in the closing stages.

Lando and possibly charles are Lewis' races today, in my opinion. A podium will be the place to aim towards for them both.
I don't think Charles will match Norris or Hamilton pace, especially with an heavier car than yersteday. The big issue for these two will be to overtake Charles - if they don't manage to do it on the first lap - because the top speed of that Ferrari is pretty amazing and it has a very good traction too. Charles race is against Perez, Piastri, Russell & his teammate imo, he's aiming for P4 probably.
Apparently it will be even hotter today than yesterday (because the race start is 3 hours earlier in the day). So I think Ferrari is going to suffer quite a bit.

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Royally shafted with those pit stops, far too passive on strategy. Great performance nonetheless.
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If this isn’t a wake up call regarding the pitstops, I don’t know what is. Victory gone because of that. Practice day and night now until you get it right, please.

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Russell had a 2.5 sec stop...

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Car was quick but costly 3s lockup in stint 1 and the slow stops resulted in no win.

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Upgrades worked nicely and the best part is they show the true gap between them.
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A lock up doesnt cost 3 sec...
But really Russell 25 sec behind Hamilton with much faster pit stop what is he doing

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PlatinumZealot wrote:
22 Oct 2023, 22:45
Upgrades worked nicely and the best part is they show the true gap between them.
RB was clearly nursing an issue. Don't think it's a representative gap.

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organic wrote:
22 Oct 2023, 22:43
Car was quick but costly 3s lockup in stint 1 and the slow stops resulted in no win.
to be honest it was "just" around 0.8s, not 3s. 42s for S2, previous few were 41.2s.

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Mercedes fumbled the ball today...first legit chance of a win and they fumble.

Gutted

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Juzh wrote:
22 Oct 2023, 22:56
organic wrote:
22 Oct 2023, 22:43
Car was quick but costly 3s lockup in stint 1 and the slow stops resulted in no win.
to be honest it was "just" around 0.8s, not 3s. 42s for S2, previous few were 41.2s.
Thanks for the correction. Might've damaged the tyres and cost unseen laptime though

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mkay wrote:
22 Oct 2023, 22:52
PlatinumZealot wrote:
22 Oct 2023, 22:45
Upgrades worked nicely and the best part is they show the true gap between them.
RB was clearly nursing an issue. Don't think it's a representative gap.
Agree. It’s progress, but there’s still a sizeable gap.

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11 points into Checo this weekend (3 + 8 )