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...electricity price has come down a lot since 2022 and it may not be such a problem anymore financially heating the tunnel up

er what ?
I thought that wind tunnels needed cooling rather than heating

I'm just going from what rb brass have said

"The problem with our wind tunnel is that it is a post-war product,” he told Auto Motor und Sport. “It was built by the British Ministry of Defence. It’s a listed building.

“It’s incredibly long and not insulated. It takes a while to heat up. When it’s cold outside, it takes even longer.

Presumably it has an operating window in terms of temps somewhere above RTP? Of course when you're blasting air around with huge fans it's going to need a lot of cooling - probably radiators larger than my house - but maybe to get it started they have issues atm

Also just on the topic of the location of the WT. Current RB mechanic:

[ValeVida46]

They would've invested in a new tunnel far earlier than 2022 if it was a performance limiting factor - consider that RB chased every advantage they could in the years 2014-2020 to make up for the engine deficit. But they would leave the wind tunnel on the table if they knew it was a large deficit?

McLaren and AMR have much larger issues with their current tunnels. McLaren's in France and can't simulate more than a few degrees of yaw, also not their own so more expensive to use. AMR only can use the WT on the weekends as they share with Mercedes. Again a bad situation

Leasing of the windtunnel isn't a performance negative, McLaren proved that using Toyota's German facility in Cologne. The reason for the change was highlighted as fiscal efficiency(*citation provided).
Their updates this year are down to using that Windtunnel, not read anything about a French based one.

AMR utilise Mercs on a time basis to their allowable time as permitted by rules. Working on weekends is also not a performance negative.
Highlighting that is confusing to me. Specifically when you have quoted Newey saying this:

Newey talked about the current WT last year and complained that because it's not originally designed for F1 it's not perfect in some obvious ways. It's massive and old: it takes a long time to get up to speed and there is a lot of air to heat.

Newey is literally giving you reasons why a new windtunnel would be performance beneficial to Red Bull.
I don't see how how that can be dismissed over working weekends or leasing a world class windtunnel.

*Citation
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/brown ... /10497112/

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They would've invested in a new tunnel far earlier than 2022 if it was a performance limiting factor - consider that RB chased every advantage they could in the years 2014-2020 to make up for the engine deficit. But they would leave the wind tunnel on the table if they knew it was a large deficit?

McLaren and AMR have much larger issues with their current tunnels. McLaren's in France and can't simulate more than a few degrees of yaw, also not their own so more expensive to use. AMR only can use the WT on the weekends as they share with Mercedes. Again a bad situation

Leasing of the windtunnel isn't a performance negative, McLaren proved that using Toyota's German facility in Cologne. The reason for the change was highlighted as fiscal efficiency(*citation provided).
Their updates this year are down to using that Windtunnel, not read anything about a French based one.

AMR utilise Mercs on a time basis to their allowable time as permitted by rules. Working on weekends is also not a performance negative.
Highlighting that is confusing to me. Specifically when you have quoted Newey saying this:

Newey talked about the current WT last year and complained that because it's not originally designed for F1 it's not perfect in some obvious ways. It's massive and old: it takes a long time to get up to speed and there is a lot of air to heat.

Newey is literally giving you reasons why a new windtunnel would be performance beneficial to Red Bull.
I don't see how how that can be dismissed over working weekends or leasing a world class windtunnel.

*Citation
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/brown ... /10497112/

Good points

[ValeVida46]

How are they good points? They are completely tangent to your post.

Being limited to “working on weekend” is a negative. It means you have to wait 5 days to get a result that you might want to know tomorrow.

I can’t be bothered with the rest.

I addressed it directly with quotes from Newey and from McLaren with a citation. Perhaps there was confusion in understanding, if English isn't you first language maybe?

Care to divulge why Aston would need to wait 5 days having just completed a windtunnel test?

Edit: Appears you deleted the post

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Perez to @racefans on being optimistic about Mexico:

"I think we’ve made some very good progress, especially considering how much we compromised the car. We believe that we left a lot of [untapped] performance in it."

Could be referring to ride height choices made by the team for the weekend

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Fan designed helmet for Perez:

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Regarding the front wing discussion, I suspect that the front wings don't tell the full picture. It's unlikely that Perez's car is setup more on the nose than Verstappen's. It's possible that Perez uses more closed/understeery differential settings and thus requires front wing to compensate whereas Max's setup may use a more open diff and thus does not require as much front wing to have the right balance for him.

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Windtunnel and CFD penalties drop off on Friday. ABA was signed on 10/26/22.

Here is a summary of what RB lost, and thus what they will regain at the end of the week:
https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/what ... itll-hurt/


This is "per ATP" which is a period of 2 months:

But Red Bull’s penalty for breaking the budget cap means a 10% reduction against what it was entitled to. So, instead of 70%, Red Bull will have 63%.

This works out as 201.6 windtunnel runs and 1260 CFD items per ATP. As the sporting regulations define that these values “will be rounded up to the nearest integer”, the windtunnel runs should be rounded up to 202.

That’s a reduction of 22 windtunnel runs and 140 CFD items per ATP. So, effectively, Red Bull has lost the value of 1.4 championship positions, and in doing so sacrificed an amount of windtunnel and CFD work compared to its nearest rivals that will have an impact.

RED BULL’S NEW ALLOWANCE VERSUS RIVALS
Per ‘Aerodynamic Testing Period’ of ~8 weeks

[Wouter]

Max and Checo today on a Telcel event coaching each a football team.



The whole football match can be seen here but is veeeeery long.

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Max Verstappen will have bodyguards for the Mexican Grand Prix confirms Marko

"Max doesn’t actually want that and is relaxed. But we have responsibility for him. So we just want to be on the safe side."

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Is this stemming from Marko's comments about South Americans and why are the mexican fans taking it out on Max?
They should take it out on Marko and Horner. Max has nothing to do with Checo's performance or Marko's comments.
I have never seen this intra team bitterness from fans of one driver before.

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Is this stemming from Marko's comments about South Americans and why are the mexican fans taking it out on Max?
They should take it out on Marko and Horner. Max has nothing to do with Checo's performance or Marko's comments.
I have never seen this intra team bitterness from fans of one driver before.

It stems from death threats made to Verstappen and Marko makes that clear in the full quote.. Apparently they had to take precautions ahead of COTA as well

I think further speculation about why those death threats arise is unlikely to result in a good faith discussion

[DDopey]

Can't we just stop with that whole Perez story and just cancel Mexico. Now Max needs bodyguards to go there, come on.

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Max Verstappen will have bodyguards for the Mexican Grand Prix confirms Marko

"Max doesn’t actually want that and is relaxed. But we have responsibility for him. So we just want to be on the safe side."

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Some more quotes from the German article:

Max Verstappen gets bodyguards for Perez's home GP

The boos against Max Versteppen (26) in Austin came at just the right time. The Red Bull officials are therefore reacting to the verbal misstep by the numerous Mexican fans present in Texas before the race in Mexico City at the weekend in order to protect their superstar.

Verstappen is accompanied there by two bodyguards. Red Bull Motorsport Director Helmut Marko (80) confirmed this to F1-Insider. Marko: “Max doesn’t actually want that and is relaxed. But we have responsibility for him. So we just want to be on the safe side.”
Even before the whistle blew in Austin, there had been some threats against Versteppen on social media. This is also why Red Bull decided to hire the bodyguards in Mexico.

In particular, the father of Verstappen's Mexican teammate Sergio Perez (33) has repeatedly ensured in interviews with the Mexican media that the Dutchman is seen as an enemy by his emotional compatriots. They blame the victorious Dutchman for their own idol's lack of form.

Red Bull would be a Verstappen team, his son had no chance to show his true performance, was the basic tenor of Perez Senior's statements.

One thing is certain: Before the Mexican GP, those responsible for Red Bull expect Perez to take the wind out of the sails of the hatred against Verstappen through public announcements. This is another reason why the Mexican still enjoys full support from his team.

https://f1-insider.com/formel-1-max-ver ... iko-60326/

The only public announcement Perez made yesterday was: “I want Mexico to come and support the entire Red Bull team, not just me.”

That means nothing. His fans just laugh at that, because they're not going to do that.
Checo has to explain why they need to change their behavior.

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From Joe Saward's green notebook

Hunt for Norris continues

There was vague talk some weeks ago that Red Bull was looking to buy Lando Norris out of his McLaren contract in order for him to race alongside Max Verstappen in 2024. Everyone denied it but there were definitely discussions. I am told that in the end Lando decided against it, perhaps because McLaren’s performances improved.