2023 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

[ringo]

That's 500 points of downforce!!!

People keep thinking Hamilton is an idiot and doesnt know what he is talking about.
Same thing last year when he was critical if w13.

Now we sed .05mm and he lost a 2nd place. It's crazy. Similar to the wing gap ruling in Brazil last year.
I said it before.. but these things are damaging to the sport. The FIA created the sprint weekend with its excessive running. The FIA need to sort themselves out. Allow track worn parts to be changed at least if the setup cannot be changed. Things like pads, skid blocks, sensors that dont impact the setup.

[TFSA]

That's 500 points of downforce!!!

People keep thinking Hamilton is an idiot and doesnt know what he is talking about.
Same thing last year when he was critical if w13.

Now we sed .05mm and he lost a 2nd place. It's crazy. Similar to the wing gap ruling in Brazil last year.
I said it before.. but these things are damaging to the sport. The FIA created the sprint weekend with its excessive running. The FIA need to sort themselves out. Allow track worn parts to be changed at least if the setup cannot be changed. Things like pads, skid blocks, sensors that dont impact the setup.

Either you're over or you're not. You also get penalized for speeding in the pit lane, even by 0.1 Kph.

Teams are already allowed a variance of 1 mm off the target at 10 mm (meaning they can go between 9 or 11).

[dans79]

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Teams are already allowed a variance of 1 mm off the target at 10 mm (meaning they can go between 9 or 11).

I suggest you read the regulation, because that's not even close to correct.

[napoleon1981]

if you fail by 0.1mm (rounded to the significant figures in the regulation) that means that the plank was significantly worn. There is some plank wear allowed (1mm), so the plank was worn 10% beyond what is allowed. Pretty significant.

[Puffpirat]

Why the creative math when you could’ve just used the 0.05mm as basis. 10% sounds worse right.

How many laps did the car run under parc ferme, 100? Including qualis, sprint and race? That would be an error of 0.5 micrometers per lap.

Clearly cheated… just to put stuff into perspective by how much they were off extrapolating from 1 practice session. Pitchforks back in the sheds please

[CHT]

0.05mm below 1mm limited means that plank thickness is down by 1.05mm, while I understand MV has 0.00mm wear.
1.05mm may not seem much, but if convert that to downforce, it may be significant over a lap. The only question is if Merc has done the setup for LH intentionally by pushing it too close to the limit, or it was just a simple case of oversight or having no time to check.

For sure the team and LH should know that the bottom is scrapping the floor, which perhaps explains why they didn't appeal the disqualification.

[Puffpirat]

Why is this still a topic. They admitted a mistake, Lewis has been disqualified, done. It’s been a week, we’re already at Mexico.

They’ve been tested 5 times this year. If they would deliberately „cheat“ with ride height, clearly they would’ve been DQed 5 times.

[AR3-GP]

Why is this still a topic. They admitted a mistake, Lewis has been disqualified, done. It’s been a week, we’re already at Mexico.

In the Thursday media sessions in Mexico, Hamilton reignited the topic by crusading against the procedures and accusing multiple other teams and cars of being illegal and getting away with it in Austin.

[Puffpirat]

Well that’s certainly one way to interpret his interview.

[AR3-GP]

Also, the 0.05 mm that was reposted here from a fan Twitter account isn’t a credible source. That figure comes from an interview with Hamilton that was misinterpreted. Most sources are saying the wear of the Mercedes was more than that of the Ferrari.

James Allison spelled it out more succinctly. Allison was moved to the point of embarrassment. You don’t get embarrassed over 0.05mm. That should say enough.

[Puffpirat]

Well I would be embarrassed over 0.01mm leading to disqualification.

Just empty assumptions, if you don’t like the team those go one way, if you like it they go the other.

[ValeVida46]

0.05mm below 1mm limited means that plank thickness is down by 1.05mm, while I understand MV has 0.00mm wear.
1.05mm may not seem much, but if convert that to downforce, it may be significant over a lap. The only question is if Merc has done the setup for LH intentionally by pushing it too close to the limit, or it was just a simple case of oversight or having no time to check.

For sure the team and LH should know that the bottom is scrapping the floor, which perhaps explains why they didn't appeal the disqualification.

LeClerc said the net benefit was so tiny they couldn't even measure it.

For sure Ferrari didn't appeal the qualification either.

[AR3-GP]

Well I would be embarrassed over 0.01mm leading to disqualification.

Just empty assumptions, if you don’t like the team those go one way, if you like it they go the other.

This was reported by AMUS. AMUS is one of the best sources for Mercedes intel.

[ValeVida46]

Also, the 0.05 mm that was reposted here from a fan Twitter account isn’t a credible source. That figure comes from an interview with Hamilton that was misinterpreted. Most sources are saying the wear of the Mercedes was more than that of the Ferrari.

James Allison spelled it out more succinctly. Allison was moved to the point of embarrassment. You don’t get embarrassed over 0.05mm. That should say enough.

That's your negative projection yet again which is continuously aimed at this team. Ferrari for example, escape your criticisms.

You get embarrassed by disqualification, not by an arbitrary number. AMuS did not report a number.
"more than Ferrari" is not reason to kick the team again.
Rabble rousing Strawman arguments of conflating unknown numbers as the reason for embarrassment instead of the actual disqualification...that's simple trolling.

Mods please clean this mess up

[Farnborough]

That's 500 points of downforce!!!

People keep thinking Hamilton is an idiot and doesnt know what he is talking about.
Same thing last year when he was critical if w13.

Now we sed .05mm and he lost a 2nd place. It's crazy. Similar to the wing gap ruling in Brazil last year.
I said it before.. but these things are damaging to the sport. The FIA created the sprint weekend with its excessive running. The FIA need to sort themselves out. Allow track worn parts to be changed at least if the setup cannot be changed. Things like pads, skid blocks, sensors that dont impact the setup.

These are the rules all team work to, nothing crazy about them. Limits are there throughout design and operation, its not even unusual.

The wing fail in Brazil has nothing in common in the way it was checked. That is a "go-no go" type gauge that doesn't measure how far out the item is, just shows failure to meet the requirements of gap on a structure that's supposed to be rigidly fixed to it's support. The further flex above that (contrary to Toto, I believe, statement) was evident in the witness mark of just how far they had the wing elements flexing. That 0.5mm statement was just a face saving, not the reality of movement achieved through having the wing not fixed securely.

The floor measurement is an absolute, the two being entirely different and cannot be assessed the same. To claim such just demonstrates ignorance of why there are different methods of defining and checking components.

The 9nly thing in common is both are out relative to stated, published and understood rules for the teams to operate within.