2023 - McLaren Formula 1 Team

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FP1 thoughts?

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mwillems wrote:
27 Oct 2023, 20:38
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26 Oct 2023, 20:11

So interesting 😁

I still tend to think the Monaco spec will be optimal, but maybe the team wants to test the Singapore spec in thin air and if it performs well, they'll keep it. In that case I would consider the Singapore spec to be high downforce, not medium-high as I believe at the moment.
They have brought the Monaco spec? Interesting. Obviously this is a tricky track to set up for, but whilst the Monaco spec will obviously produce a lot more DF, they don't have a version that has the efficient winglets like Mercedes have. So the concept of the wing is a little "outdated" (I use that term loosely) as it won't be as efficient for the downforce produced, but maybe that is what is required here.

From what I can see, teams are largely using the same wings they used at Austin, not sure if this implies anything for our final choice.
Yeah, that's about right. I thought for myself that the Monaco spec would be optimal. I've only seen Singapore spec on the track. Might have a little trouble in the slow corners. But I don't know what the balance is at the entrance to the corners, and maybe that's why the team doesn't use the Monaco spec. But only one practice has been done so far.

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organic wrote:
27 Oct 2023, 21:30
FP1 thoughts?
Hmm. It's hard to predict anything. After the second training session it will be easier to make first conclusions. In the meantime, I can only say that the speed of the car is not very competitive. :D

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After setting his time, Norris did another 19 laps, without taking fuel.

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27 Oct 2023, 22:02
After setting his time, Norris did another 19 laps, without taking fuel.
yes i was watching to see if he pitted after his first push lap on softs, and it didnt appear to me that he did. If you know that for sure then its quite encouraging - plus i imagine that poor engine is turned down quite a bit given its mileage

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geogate wrote:
27 Oct 2023, 22:19
search wrote:
27 Oct 2023, 22:02
After setting his time, Norris did another 19 laps, without taking fuel.
yes i was watching to see if he pitted after his first push lap on softs, and it didnt appear to me that he did. If you know that for sure then its quite encouraging - plus i imagine that poor engine is turned down quite a bit given its mileage
Concentrating on race pace would be a smart move, with the cars achieving low DF, Deg will play a big part Sunday

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LionsHeart wrote:
27 Oct 2023, 21:47
mwillems wrote:
27 Oct 2023, 20:38
LionsHeart wrote:
26 Oct 2023, 20:11

So interesting 😁

I still tend to think the Monaco spec will be optimal, but maybe the team wants to test the Singapore spec in thin air and if it performs well, they'll keep it. In that case I would consider the Singapore spec to be high downforce, not medium-high as I believe at the moment.
They have brought the Monaco spec? Interesting. Obviously this is a tricky track to set up for, but whilst the Monaco spec will obviously produce a lot more DF, they don't have a version that has the efficient winglets like Mercedes have. So the concept of the wing is a little "outdated" (I use that term loosely) as it won't be as efficient for the downforce produced, but maybe that is what is required here.

From what I can see, teams are largely using the same wings they used at Austin, not sure if this implies anything for our final choice.
Yeah, that's about right. I thought for myself that the Monaco spec would be optimal. I've only seen Singapore spec on the track. Might have a little trouble in the slow corners. But I don't know what the balance is at the entrance to the corners, and maybe that's why the team doesn't use the Monaco spec. But only one practice has been done so far.
I didn't get to watch it unfortunately. I would imagine they've done some long heavy fuel runs and were able to assess the tires properly, as well as looking at the data, and will make the call to try the bigger wing in FP2.
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the EDGE wrote:
27 Oct 2023, 22:21
geogate wrote:
27 Oct 2023, 22:19
search wrote:
27 Oct 2023, 22:02
After setting his time, Norris did another 19 laps, without taking fuel.
yes i was watching to see if he pitted after his first push lap on softs, and it didnt appear to me that he did. If you know that for sure then its quite encouraging - plus i imagine that poor engine is turned down quite a bit given its mileage
Concentrating on race pace would be a smart move, with the cars achieving low DF, Deg will play a big part Sunday
yeah, but what I meant to say is, that there were at least like 1.5s worth of fuel in the car when he did his "hot lap".

Albon didn't stop either though (but did "only" 11 more laps).

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search wrote:
27 Oct 2023, 22:26
the EDGE wrote:
27 Oct 2023, 22:21
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27 Oct 2023, 22:19


yes i was watching to see if he pitted after his first push lap on softs, and it didnt appear to me that he did. If you know that for sure then its quite encouraging - plus i imagine that poor engine is turned down quite a bit given its mileage
Concentrating on race pace would be a smart move, with the cars achieving low DF, Deg will play a big part Sunday
yeah, but what I meant to say is, that there were at least like 1.5s worth of fuel in the car when he did his "hot lap".

Albon didn't stop either though (but did "only" 11 more laps).
Yer I get that, and it bodes well, thing is, FP1 on a dusty, rarely used track, with odd characteristics is not really a yard stick for the weekend. I think there’s a lot to come from everybody next session

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Without the sprint this weekend seems slow. Another day before action starts.

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Although the fuel loads are hard to tell without deeper diving, the long runs looked very promising.

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If we didn't need a reminder that this is a practise session, there was just a graphic up showing "track dominance", between Norris and Verstappen. It suggested we were faster through most the the corners, including several of the slow corners, which I expect not to be the case when we are running at full pace and the setups are dialled in.
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mwillems wrote:
28 Oct 2023, 00:36
If we didn't need a reminder that this is a practise session, there was just a graphic up showing "track dominance", between Norris and Verstappen. It suggested we were faster through most the the corners, including several of the slow corners, which I expect not to be the case when we are running at full pace and the setups are dialled in.
It was the same in Fp1 - I suspect it's not a false reality. RB are running quite softly like in COTA, I think to help themselves deal with the kerbs, and consequently are gaining on traction

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organic wrote:
28 Oct 2023, 00:37
mwillems wrote:
28 Oct 2023, 00:36
If we didn't need a reminder that this is a practise session, there was just a graphic up showing "track dominance", between Norris and Verstappen. It suggested we were faster through most the the corners, including several of the slow corners, which I expect not to be the case when we are running at full pace and the setups are dialled in.
It was the same in Fp1 - I suspect it's not a false reality. RB are running quite softly like in COTA, I think to help themselves deal with the kerbs, and consequently are gaining on traction
Interesting, I had a look at the comparison for FP1 and it's a lot less dominant, with the track being mostly blue, but still the Mclaren looking handy in the corners.

Hopefully we keep this pace up, but I have a feeling that RB will stretch their legs and that Mercedes appear to me to be struggling to dial in the car, and Ferrari are getting on it now...

Edit: Watching several of the cars, they all look a bit softer on the setup, they seem less rigid than I recall seeing last week, obviously happy to use the kerbs here and with no bumps to worry about.
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Currently speed trap p3 with 350 km/h. Very good.
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