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[dialtone]

I think you should go watch the onboard because you are adding your spin here. The q2 lap was practically identical to q3.

[djos]

I think you should go watch the onboard because you are adding your spin here. The q2 lap was practically identical to q3.

Except it was slower.

No one else managed to improve by as much in that first Q3 run. Even Brundle said the Ferrari looked noticeably better in that first Q3 run.

[dialtone]

I think you should go watch the onboard because you are adding your spin here. The q2 lap was practically identical to q3.

Except it was slower.

No one else managed to improve by as much in that first Q3 run. Even Brundle said the Ferrari looked noticeably better in that first Q3 run.

It was slower like the 2nd attempt in Q3. What commentators say isn't that important aside from color, usually they are totally clueless. coulthard commented that Ferrari looked slow in the first lap of Q2, but didn't notice it was on used softs.

LEC took a lot more chances in T1 braking and the entirety of the stadium section where he went a lot more to the limit with braking and top speed in each little transition. He didn't have understeer in T1 anyway in his Q2 attempt and wasn't about the last corner oversteer in Q2 either. Simply took more risks.

Anyway this is the Red Bull thread so I'll just limit here my contribution on this topic.

[djos]

FWIW, I’m not a Ferrari fan, just trying to explain what I think I saw which was backed up by one former F1 driver.

If it was Crofty, I’d have ignored the commentary.

[Juzh]

This is why Honda need to intervene on the PU. The Ferrari PU is just ridiculous. You can see it in the telemetry. The velocity line is steeper.

You sure you got that right? I'm looking at f1 tempo and Ver and Per are dare I say faster on straights, but lose out in slow corners T2-3-4 and then again in the following section.

I had a look at lap 16 of Leclerc, his second Q3 run, he was faster on the straights than the first run and faster than the Red Bulls, suggesting it’s where they went really at full power.
It wasn’t absolutely a big difference on the straights between Ferrari and Red Bull, but taking into account that Ferrari should have more drag, Marko’s quotes (that they used full power) make sense.

If you take leclerc's last lap then ferrari and RB are near identical on main straight and lec is very tiny amount faster than verstappen on second straight, very small differences. I'm not surprised about this, RB in max downforce config wasn't ever a rocket on straight compared to other cars. Just normal procedures occurring.

[Bill]

You sure you got that right? I'm looking at f1 tempo and Ver and Per are dare I say faster on straights, but lose out in slow corners T2-3-4 and then again in the following section.

I had a look at lap 16 of Leclerc, his second Q3 run, he was faster on the straights than the first run and faster than the Red Bulls, suggesting it’s where they went really at full power.
It wasn’t absolutely a big difference on the straights between Ferrari and Red Bull, but taking into account that Ferrari should have more drag, Marko’s quotes (that they used full power) make sense.

If you take leclerc's last lap then ferrari and RB are near identical on main straight and lec is very tiny amount faster than verstappen on second straight, very small differences. I'm not surprised about this, RB in max downforce config wasn't ever a rocket on straight compared to other cars. Just normal procedures occurring.

red bull are usually a second faster than alpha tauri but here Max is just a tenth faster,i think its clear that Rbr car doesnt work well in street circuits we already saw that in singapore.Max will easily win their race pace is good ferrari may blow a turbo.

[Juzh]

I had a look at lap 16 of Leclerc, his second Q3 run, he was faster on the straights than the first run and faster than the Red Bulls, suggesting it’s where they went really at full power.
It wasn’t absolutely a big difference on the straights between Ferrari and Red Bull, but taking into account that Ferrari should have more drag, Marko’s quotes (that they used full power) make sense.

If you take leclerc's last lap then ferrari and RB are near identical on main straight and lec is very tiny amount faster than verstappen on second straight, very small differences. I'm not surprised about this, RB in max downforce config wasn't ever a rocket on straight compared to other cars. Just normal procedures occurring.

red bull are usually a second faster than alpha tauri but here Max is just a tenth faster,i think its clear that Rbr car doesnt work well in street circuits we already saw that in singapore.Max will easily win their race pace is good ferrari may blow a turbo.

I agree AT shouldnt be this close to max, car didnt like either the conditions, the track or maybe both. If you look at speed trace danny ric loses like 0,4s on straights but ends up only 1,5 tenth behind.

[Sieper]

Daniël pulled a blinder, that for sure. But besides that, it is weird that AT is so competitive. Maybe these circumstances suit them?

[djos]

Daniël pulled a blinder, that for sure. But besides that, it is weird that AT is so competitive. Maybe these circumstances suit them?

I think the thin atmosphere really levels the drag playing field. The AT likely had good downforce thanks to recent upgrades.

[Sieper]

Daniël pulled a blinder, that for sure. But besides that, it is weird that AT is so competitive. Maybe these circumstances suit them?

I think the thin atmosphere really levels the drag playing field. The AT likely had good downforce thanks to recent upgrades.

That is what I was thinking too, but imho Mercedes also has very high DF but they weren’t really there. And Williams imho has not and they were there (until they weren’t).

It is hard to understand what really is going on with all these different results. Also from session to session. Ferrari suddenly there in Q3.

In any case, Daniel did great in every session. A bit of a shame for AT yuki needed a new PU.

[djos]

Good points, we may never know.

True, Daniel was Mega in qually. Correct me if I’m wrong, didn’t he get through Q1 and Q2 on single set of new soft tires per session?

[Wouter]

Tonight and this morning was the qualification and the final race of the Super Formula.

Rd.9 Qualifying Final Result

LAWSON on pole, following by yesterday’s winner NOJIRI, and point leader MIYATA is starting behind them from P4





Liam became second in the WC Super Formula as a rookie!!
He has beaten his teammate Nojiri who is two time WC as a rookie!!
He deserves an F1 seat asap.

Liam explanes: https://www.motorsport.com/super-formul ... /10539875/

[Spoutnik]

Good points, we may never know.

True, Daniel was Mega in qually. Correct me if I’m wrong, didn’t he get through Q1 and Q2 on single set of new soft tires per session?

[Sieper]

Race should be yellow - white one stopper. That is the same as red - yellow one stopper from last year, they went one compound softer on the scale this year. Checo still has a set fresh yellow for maybe a 2 stopper, or late ish safety car.

[AR3-GP]

RB will be hoping it goes like Monza. Following is bad here however.