2023 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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basti313 wrote:
30 Oct 2023, 13:20
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30 Oct 2023, 10:45
basti313 wrote:
30 Oct 2023, 10:35

Well, this is just a straw. Brazil is a two stop, Abu is a two stop....I do not see Ferrari ahead of any Mercs there, too much room to f*** up the strategy and too easy to overtake.

Furthermore there is McLaren in the game, I expect them to be ahead in both venues.

My bet would be to take engine penalties in Brazil and set the car up for the Sprint. Then take as many points with a strong engine from the Sprint and look for possibilities in the race...they will anyways not beat McLaren and Merc on merit there.
We will see. But I think beating Piastri, Russell and Perez is doable.
Concerning Abu Dhabi I believe it will be one of the best track for the SF23 characteristics
Perez will maybe beat himself and if two at the front are up for a tango, that is one or two places more. This is what I mean with "look for possibilities in the race".
Both Abu and Brazil are hard on the tires, I guess your hope is mainly on the engine end? I see no way how Ferrari should be better on tires than Merc an McLaren. So my take is....do everything with the engine and get a new one for this.
Abu Dhabi is way softer for the tyres with the new track layout. Ofc there's the engine, but there's also the fact it has became a start/stop track with no big radius corner. Ferrari makes most of the performance under braking, traction, and straight line speed

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According to Formu1a.uno the front wing damage was worth around 0.1s per lap.

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Xyz22 wrote:
31 Oct 2023, 11:28
According to Formu1a.uno the front wing damage was worth around 0.1s per lap.
I dont know if this is correct or not, maybe it is but the point is that this damage changed the car behavior in my mind. I suppose the car had less downforce in an allready problematic Ferrari in the front and that maked the car turning worse but in the other hand gained a bit of speed in the straights? its just my thoughts..

@Vanja what you think?

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bluechris wrote:
31 Oct 2023, 14:05
Xyz22 wrote:
31 Oct 2023, 11:28
According to Formu1a.uno the front wing damage was worth around 0.1s per lap.
I dont know if this is correct or not, maybe it is but the point is that this damage changed the car behavior in my mind. I suppose the car had less downforce in an allready problematic Ferrari in the front and that maked the car turning worse but in the other hand gained a bit of speed in the straights? its just my thoughts..

@Vanja what you think?
Personally, i doubt it. This car simply doesn't like some tyres. The same performance drop happened in Saudi (to a bigger extent).

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Leclerc mentioned post-race he thinks he had suspension damage that worsened over the course of the race and hurt the hard stint

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organic wrote:
31 Oct 2023, 15:27
Leclerc mentioned post-race he thinks he had suspension damage that worsened over the course of the race and hurt the hard stint
Maybe, but also Carlos suffered a lot. There was just no pace to extract.

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Xyz22 wrote:
organic wrote:
31 Oct 2023, 15:27
Leclerc mentioned post-race he thinks he had suspension damage that worsened over the course of the race and hurt the hard stint
Maybe, but also Carlos suffered a lot. There was just no pace to extract.
No one on the hards had any pace aside from Max, but even there Ham had the fastest lap of the race.

Ham and Nor had incredible 2nd half of the race thanks to the medium tire. The hards simply didn’t work for anyone. LEC was the 2nd fastest hard on track.

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dialtone wrote:
31 Oct 2023, 15:54
No one on the hards had any pace aside from Max, but even there Ham had the fastest lap of the race.

Ham and Nor had incredible 2nd half of the race thanks to the medium tire. The hards simply didn’t work for anyone. LEC was the 2nd fastest hard on track.
I'd say if you take the very different fuel loads into account, Norris was quicker than Leclerc on his hard stint.

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How are experts expecting the SF23 to fare in Brazil? It seems like the nerfed F1-75 did ok there last year?

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deadhead wrote:
31 Oct 2023, 20:04
How are experts expecting the SF23 to fare in Brazil? It seems like the nerfed F1-75 did ok there last year?
Fabregas simulator has race pace of SF-23 best of the rest for Brazil.

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They are going to have unspeakable straight line speed here.

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AR3-GP wrote:
02 Nov 2023, 21:50
They are going to have unspeakable straight line speed here.
Yeah it seems like that. What i don't get after i saw the 1st photos of all the teams of the rear wings is how the tyres will cope? The rest of the teams brought their barn door wings but not Ferrari... Is the track good for the tyres? I don't think so.

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bluechris wrote:
02 Nov 2023, 22:39
AR3-GP wrote:
02 Nov 2023, 21:50
They are going to have unspeakable straight line speed here.
Yeah it seems like that. What i don't get after i saw the 1st photos of all the teams of the rear wings is how the tyres will cope? The rest of the teams brought their barn door wings but not Ferrari... Is the track good for the tyres? I don't think so.
Not all teams have their barndoors. McLaren and AMR have a medium-high wing, same as Ferrari

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Will they take engine penalties here ? Shouldn't they? With chance to earn more points in sprint.

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jambuka wrote:
03 Nov 2023, 00:33
Will they take engine penalties here ? Shouldn't they? With chance to earn more points in sprint.
I hear that qualy will be wet on Friday. They might decide after seeing the qualy positions.