Cs98 wrote: ↑01 Nov 2023, 10:50
Mosin123 wrote: ↑01 Nov 2023, 10:45
the EDGE wrote: ↑01 Nov 2023, 10:33
That’s not true. Horner has specifically said the RB, like every other car, is simply designed to be the theoretically fastest car possible
Every team chases a target of balance across a range of speeds. It is up to the driver to adapt to get the most out of it
" Max Verstappen is leading Red Bull from a car development point of view, says team principal Christian Horner."
Cs98 wrote: ↑01 Nov 2023, 10:35
Allison is more or less the same when it comes to driver feedback. Drivers know nothing about car design. The behaviors they feel can be useful when interpreted through an engineer, but a driver's own solutions are not the path to go. Eliminating bad behaviors is what they should do, but there's no reason to suggest Elliott wasn't trying to do that. As we can see below, the solution to such problems isn't necessarily what a driver imagines.
He debunked this "driver solution" too.
" "Obviously, [when] you go back to before data recorders, the only thing the race engineer had to go on really was the driver's feedback.
“So the feedback of the driver, and the feel the driver had, was all-important.
"Now, with data recorders, you could argue that you don't need that.
“But, in my view, in truth you do, because data recorders tell you what the car is doing.
"[But it's] very difficult to see why the car is doing it –
that's where the driver comes in. "
No one is saying driver feedback is useless. It's useful in describing how the car behaves, it is not useful when determining the technical reasons why the car behaves that way. That's why you have engineers who understand the car's design, and how to change it to accomplish a desired outcome. But you don't need drivers saying "we need to change this and that, we need the seat further back, and the sidepod to look like that car". That kind of feedback is not useful.
No one ever advised that the seat needed moving. Your own copy and paste of Allisons comments said that " “I had some conversations with Lewis about it. I don’t think the seating position is a big factor in the problems he feels with the car.
“It’s not like we’re talking about 20 centimetres. Lewis has driven cars where he has sat even further forward.
“What he is right about is the criticism of the car’s road holding. It is our task to eliminate this weakness – because that is lap time.
“If we change the seating position, it is for many other reasons and not because we think that alone will solve all the problems for Lewis.”
He also said " The driver is a much better sensor. So if a driver says ‘the car’s lacking rear downforce, bang, I’ve solved it, go to the rear downforce shop, get me some downforce’ then that’s the point where it becomes slightly less helpful.
But at that point, we just have to accept the car is lacking in a certain thing and it’s our job as Lewis rightly points out."
So its their job to sort out the things the driver says the car is lacking...... His words... you linked them.......... if you want to discredit a drivers feedback, even though the greatest of greats Neways says differently. Keep going.
I mean - Drivers complain ME isnt taking on board things they say, Allison in your comment also points out that the drivers concerns wasnt listened to in 2022 and so the same problem carried over into 2023 and il quote " both he and George [Russell] had been saying a particular consistent thing about the car since the first laps of the 2022 cousin of this one and the 2023 version inherited that same behaviour and we have been slow to react, slow to fix. " << Allison wasnt back to design the 2023 car.......