2023 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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Alonso is an incredible driver, I’d love to set him in a competitive car again. However, it’ll be a cold day hell if RedBull hire him while Max is still there. They also have Daniel who likes the same car qualities as Max and has a track record of playing the team game without fuss.
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I just don’t see RB upsetting team dynamics by putting Alonso in their car

He has a need to be no.1, and he’d clearly have to play a no.2

I can’t see that driver pairing working out for the best, much better to go with Ricciardo IMO

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the EDGE wrote:
01 Nov 2023, 10:14
I just don’t see RB upsetting team dynamics by putting Alonso in their car

He has a need to be no.1, and he’d clearly have to play a no.2

I can’t see that driver pairing working out for the best, much better to go with Ricciardo IMO
Also makes sense Re: driving style. Daniel since being at AT has requested for more and more front end according to AT tech director. Perez and Alonso both prefer predictable with understeer or at best neutral balance. 2019- has been a headache in terms of 2nd driver not dealing with RB characteristics with which Daniel flourished previously. Of course Alo can adapt better than almost any driver argubaly, but the pointier RB philosophy pushed in that direction by Verstappen would work well with Daniel

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organic wrote:
01 Nov 2023, 10:20
the EDGE wrote:
01 Nov 2023, 10:14
I just don’t see RB upsetting team dynamics by putting Alonso in their car

He has a need to be no.1, and he’d clearly have to play a no.2

I can’t see that driver pairing working out for the best, much better to go with Ricciardo IMO
Also makes sense Re: driving style. Daniel since being at AT has requested for more and more front end according to AT tech director. Perez and Alonso both prefer predictable with understeer or at best neutral balance. 2019- has been a headache in terms of 2nd driver not dealing with RB characteristics with which Daniel flourished previously. Of course Alo can adapt better than almost any driver argubaly, but the pointier RB philosophy pushed in that direction by Verstappen would work well with Daniel
Not to mention that Max and Daniel have as very good history of working well together. Even after the Baku clash, they continued to get along well.
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djos wrote:
01 Nov 2023, 10:24
organic wrote:
01 Nov 2023, 10:20
the EDGE wrote:
01 Nov 2023, 10:14
I just don’t see RB upsetting team dynamics by putting Alonso in their car

He has a need to be no.1, and he’d clearly have to play a no.2

I can’t see that driver pairing working out for the best, much better to go with Ricciardo IMO
Also makes sense Re: driving style. Daniel since being at AT has requested for more and more front end according to AT tech director. Perez and Alonso both prefer predictable with understeer or at best neutral balance. 2019- has been a headache in terms of 2nd driver not dealing with RB characteristics with which Daniel flourished previously. Of course Alo can adapt better than almost any driver argubaly, but the pointier RB philosophy pushed in that direction by Verstappen would work well with Daniel
Not to mention that Max and Daniel have as very good history of working well together. Even after the Baku clash, they continued to get along well.
Riccardo have self trust and mentally problem. Once he will be beaten by Max,he will be become Perez 2.0!

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We'll see. I think he could stomach being beaten by Max, who in Daniel's own words is "performing at GOAT level", more than he could take being inexplicably slow & beaten by a far less proven Norris resoundingly

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OnEcRiTiCaL wrote:
01 Nov 2023, 13:58
djos wrote:
01 Nov 2023, 10:24
organic wrote:
01 Nov 2023, 10:20


Also makes sense Re: driving style. Daniel since being at AT has requested for more and more front end according to AT tech director. Perez and Alonso both prefer predictable with understeer or at best neutral balance. 2019- has been a headache in terms of 2nd driver not dealing with RB characteristics with which Daniel flourished previously. Of course Alo can adapt better than almost any driver argubaly, but the pointier RB philosophy pushed in that direction by Verstappen would work well with Daniel
Not to mention that Max and Daniel have as very good history of working well together. Even after the Baku clash, they continued to get along well.
Riccardo have self trust and mentally problem. Once he will be beaten by Max,he will be become Perez 2.0!
Daniel only had problems at McLaren due to the cars inconsistent handling traits. It wasn’t because Norris was faster than him.

Heck Daniel beat Checo in Mexico in an inferior car and was within a 1/10th of Max, he’ll fine at RedBull.
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djos wrote:
01 Nov 2023, 22:47
OnEcRiTiCaL wrote:
01 Nov 2023, 13:58
djos wrote:
01 Nov 2023, 10:24


Not to mention that Max and Daniel have as very good history of working well together. Even after the Baku clash, they continued to get along well.
Riccardo have self trust and mentally problem. Once he will be beaten by Max,he will be become Perez 2.0!
Daniel only had Pringles at McLaren due to the cars inconsistent handling traits. It wasn’t because Norris was faster than him.

Heck Daniel beat Checo in Mexico in an inferior car and was within a 1/10th of Max, he’ll fine at RedBull.
Djos, I do feel Horner wants Daniel back and things have been put in motion.

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Sieper wrote:
02 Nov 2023, 00:33
djos wrote:
01 Nov 2023, 22:47
OnEcRiTiCaL wrote:
01 Nov 2023, 13:58

Riccardo have self trust and mentally problem. Once he will be beaten by Max,he will be become Perez 2.0!
Daniel only had Pringles at McLaren due to the cars inconsistent handling traits. It wasn’t because Norris was faster than him.

Heck Daniel beat Checo in Mexico in an inferior car and was within a 1/10th of Max, he’ll fine at RedBull.
Djos, I do feel Horner wants Daniel back and things have been put in motion.
It certainly seems that way - I recall Horner being really shocked when Daniel signed for Renault, and he tried everything he could to convince him to stay.
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RBR certainly cannot afford to have an alpha male driver alongside Max for sure, so I will discount Alonso. Ideally, RBR should look to have a driver that has a similar driving style to Max, reach a point of their career where they are happy to be a No 2 driver with odd wins when Max is out.

Daniel is certainly eyeing for a comeback for sure.

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Lawson would be a better bet to replace Perez. Just like McLaren brought in Piastri, Red Bull should put in Lawson and measure him to see how good he can be. He can't be worse than Perez, but if he is somewhere close to Max, then it's job well done. He can only grow from there.

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mendis wrote:
02 Nov 2023, 03:18
Lawson would be a better bet to replace Perez. Just like McLaren brought in Piastri, Red Bull should put in Lawson and measure him to see how good he can be. He can't be worse than Perez, but if he is somewhere close to Max, then it's job well done. He can only grow from there.
Yes because putting less experienced drivers alongside worked the first.. 2 times it was done. Oh wait, it was a complete disaster

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mendis wrote:
02 Nov 2023, 03:18
Lawson would be a better bet to replace Perez. Just like McLaren brought in Piastri, Red Bull should put in Lawson and measure him to see how good he can be. He can't be worse than Perez, but if he is somewhere close to Max, then it's job well done. He can only grow from there.
Throwing rookies into the deep end doesn't work out very often, the only 2 I can think of that worked out well are Hamilton and Piastri.
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djos wrote:
02 Nov 2023, 03:22
mendis wrote:
02 Nov 2023, 03:18
Lawson would be a better bet to replace Perez. Just like McLaren brought in Piastri, Red Bull should put in Lawson and measure him to see how good he can be. He can't be worse than Perez, but if he is somewhere close to Max, then it's job well done. He can only grow from there.
Throwing rookies into the deep end doesn't work out very often, the only 2 I can think of that worked out well are Hamilton and Piastri.
Talent doesn't need to wait for experience. With little over a season, Max won in his first race for RB. Charles was promoted after one year at Sauber. Lando was a rookie and did pretty well at McLaren. When George jumped in for one off race for Mercedes, with over a year at Williams, he almost won the race. There is no reason not to try Lawson. Talented drivers do well when the opportunity arises and if he fails, then they should move on to another driver. There is only one way to find out if he can be a top driver and that is by putting him in the RB20.

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mendis wrote:
02 Nov 2023, 04:19
djos wrote:
02 Nov 2023, 03:22
mendis wrote:
02 Nov 2023, 03:18
Lawson would be a better bet to replace Perez. Just like McLaren brought in Piastri, Red Bull should put in Lawson and measure him to see how good he can be. He can't be worse than Perez, but if he is somewhere close to Max, then it's job well done. He can only grow from there.
Throwing rookies into the deep end doesn't work out very often, the only 2 I can think of that worked out well are Hamilton and Piastri.
Talent doesn't need to wait for experience. With little over a season, Max won in his first race for RB. Charles was promoted after one year at Sauber. Lando was a rookie and did pretty well at McLaren. When George jumped in for one off race for Mercedes, with over a year at Williams, he almost won the race. There is no reason not to try Lawson. Talented drivers do well when the opportunity arises and if he fails, then they should move on to another driver. There is only one way to find out if he can be a top driver and that is by putting him in the RB20.
Max is still very young and the entire team is build around him now. It will be be a waste of rookie talent to put him behind Max. A talented rookie should ideally be put in a place where he can beat his team-mate with the blessing and support from the team of course.