2023 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix - Yas Marina, Nov 24 - 26

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mkay wrote:
24 Nov 2023, 13:23
Xyz22 wrote:
24 Nov 2023, 13:15
Good news. The 3rd point won't allow RB to start developing the 2026 car earlier than the others.
How can you police that exactly?
The "real" development of the cars is done through CFD simulations and Wind Tunnel sessions.
These are controlled by the FIA. It was the same for the 2022 cars as the development could only start in January 2021.

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Xyz22 wrote:
24 Nov 2023, 13:25
The "real" development of the cars is done through CFD simulations and Wind Tunnel sessions.
These are controlled by the FIA. It was the same for the 2022 cars as the development could only start in January 2021.
Bit off topic, but you can always hire externals to do some work ahead, in a convoluted and off-the-record manner. It's not all black and white
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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Vanja #66 wrote:
24 Nov 2023, 13:31
Xyz22 wrote:
24 Nov 2023, 13:25
The "real" development of the cars is done through CFD simulations and Wind Tunnel sessions.
These are controlled by the FIA. It was the same for the 2022 cars as the development could only start in January 2021.
Bit off topic, but you can always hire externals to do some work ahead, in a convoluted and off-the-record manner. It's not all black and white
It's not that easy though, especially with the added controls for BC.

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Xyz22 wrote:
24 Nov 2023, 13:46
Vanja #66 wrote:
24 Nov 2023, 13:31
Xyz22 wrote:
24 Nov 2023, 13:25
The "real" development of the cars is done through CFD simulations and Wind Tunnel sessions.
These are controlled by the FIA. It was the same for the 2022 cars as the development could only start in January 2021.
Bit off topic, but you can always hire externals to do some work ahead, in a convoluted and off-the-record manner. It's not all black and white
It's not that easy though, especially with the added controls for BC.
If you employ an 'exert' you do not have to justify how they became an expert or who covered the cost of their knowledge.
When arguing with a fool, be sure the other person is not doing the same thing.

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#-o #-o #-o It's Stroll AGAIN !! Watch it on this Twitter post. Click on the post, not on the arrow.

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Vanja #66 wrote:
24 Nov 2023, 13:31
Xyz22 wrote:
24 Nov 2023, 13:25
The "real" development of the cars is done through CFD simulations and Wind Tunnel sessions.
These are controlled by the FIA. It was the same for the 2022 cars as the development could only start in January 2021.
Bit off topic, but you can always hire externals to do some work ahead, in a convoluted and off-the-record manner. It's not all black and white
Having done development by using all the officially available tools like Wind Tunnel and CFD, things still doesn't correlate and teams find problems on track. One can only guess how dependable things would be when work done without the CFD and wind tunnel. Minor design mistakes can have serious consequences like Mercedes found out when they learnt they had a wrong wind tunnel configuration.

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Wouter wrote:
24 Nov 2023, 14:16
#-o #-o #-o It's Stroll AGAIN !! Watch it on this Twitter post. Click on the post, not on the arrow.
not sure he is to blame here personally. This was just after the of the session, and the timing (incorrectly) showed Hadjar as pitting. So the team probably assumed there was no one to come from behind anymore

edit: but I just checked Stroll's onboard on F1TV, and the team clearly told him "Hadjar 4 seconds behind, he is pushing"
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mkay wrote:
24 Nov 2023, 13:23
How can you police that exactly?
Team factories are like Orwell 1984. The FIA is almost literally up the arse of teams. They have access to the site cameras, and even the IT-systems have to be signed off by the FIA.

I guess Newey can do sketches at home though 😉

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Xyz22 wrote:
24 Nov 2023, 13:15
organic wrote:
24 Nov 2023, 12:56
F1 Commission Meeting headlines:

- Sprint race activities to be further split from a grand prix
- Tyre blanket ban for 2025 scrapped
- No work on 2026 cars before 2025
- Scoop for driver cooling to be permitted in the regs
- Wet weather wheel cover test set for spring 2024
https://twitter.com/ChrisMedlandF1/stat ... 3765083292
Good news. The 3rd point won't allow RB to start developing the 2026 car earlier than the others.
Not sure if this is good or bad since we know RBR did compromised their R18 development for 2021 WDC and yet they came up quickest in 2022..

For 2026 it will be anyones guess. don't think this would hamper RBR more than others..

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It seems like an interesting lineup for the young drivers in FP1! It provides them with valuable experience on the track. Looking forward to seeing how they perform alongside the regular drivers.
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2026 is very similar with ground effect aint it?
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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Xyz22 wrote:
24 Nov 2023, 13:46
It's not that easy though, especially with the added controls for BC.
No, but you can always pay via another company in your group. :mrgreen:

mendis wrote:
24 Nov 2023, 14:22
Having done development by using all the officially available tools like Wind Tunnel and CFD, things still doesn't correlate and teams find problems on track. One can only guess how dependable things would be when work done without the CFD and wind tunnel. Minor design mistakes can have serious consequences like Mercedes found out when they learnt they had a wrong wind tunnel configuration.
Of course. You can't do actual car development, but you can find ways to outsource the conceptual work ahead of time. It would be easier for bigger teams, naturally. Let's not forget, RB developed the AM Valkyrie with Newey and they have a great time with that experience. Nothing illegal in it, it was done before it was announced floors will feature channels again, but the benefit is clearly long-lasting.
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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Carlos Sainz bins it. Not a great start for Ferrari again this weekend

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not the first one hitting a bump, though. Looks like the teams didn't expect the track to be this bumpy.

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search wrote:
24 Nov 2023, 15:11
not the first one hitting a bump, though. Looks like the teams didn't expect the track to be this bumpy.
Someone told me a few days ago that the track was "as smooth as a billiard table" :lol: :lol: :lol: