Can't just find it but I'm pretty sure the team announced that the same day as the official launch (February 14) the car would be packed off to Silverstone for "filming". Can someone explain the regulatory limits on this outing?
Can't just find it but I'm pretty sure the team announced that the same day as the official launch (February 14) the car would be packed off to Silverstone for "filming". Can someone explain the regulatory limits on this outing?
IIRC the shakedown has a 15km limit.
The Race podcast about McLaren livery.
From a McLaren perspective, 22 was a brand new car… So it was about testing the concept… in 23, they already knew that they had the wrong concept and the new was in development during testing, so not an step process.organic wrote: ↑17 Jan 2024, 23:48Nice to see you again. I've always appreciated your posts hereSmallSoldier wrote: ↑17 Jan 2024, 22:40It will depend on what changes are made to the car and if they need to validate new developments first… Depending the architectural changes to the chasis, they may decide to test with the 2023 aero package (if it can be used with the new chassis) to validate the mechanical improvements before they use the new aero package on the car.
From an aero perspective, they may also introduce parts during testing in an step process to validate parts individually.
Both of those would be intriguing as we haven't seen that happen in '22 or '23 preseason testing had we?
I’m just speculating… We really don’t know the extent of the changes… I would be surprised if the sidepods (from a volume perspective) vary dramatically (and I hope I am).mwillems wrote: ↑18 Jan 2024, 14:01I'm sure there will be an iterative process, I wouldn't suggest the car starting the testing will be the car finishing it as they will want to benchmark certain aspects and review the impact of each part. But I would expect it to look closer to the 24 car than the 23 and probably by a margin.SmallSoldier wrote: ↑17 Jan 2024, 22:40It will depend on what changes are made to the car and if they need to validate new developments first… Depending the architectural changes to the chasis, they may decide to test with the 2023 aero package (if it can be used with the new chassis) to validate the mechanical improvements before they use the new aero package on the car.
From an aero perspective, they may also introduce parts during testing in an step process to validate parts individually.
But as for using '23 parts, this may well be possible because it is in many ways what happened with the Austria update in that updates were brought that would work as a package at each race and with some older parts on the car, until the entire aero package was overhauled in the next 3 races. So the first update was the Sidepods, Floor, diffuser, engine cover etc... but this still covered the bulk of the car. The reason being that the parts are far less independent and the balance far more sensitive now.
But then those parts new in season were designed for that MCL60 chassis, cooling layout etc Are they that compatible? Everything tends to be quite a tight fit on these cars are we expecting the internals to not change much?
I agree, I don't think it will all arrive on Day 1 either, what I mean to say is that at testing I think we will see the developed car, whether it arrives in one go or in increments. The Front and Rear wing may well be from last years car, but I'd think everything else will be new. Floor, Diffuser, Engine Cover, Sidepods,Halo, mirrors...SmallSoldier wrote: ↑19 Jan 2024, 06:44I’m just speculating… We really don’t know the extent of the changes… I would be surprised if the sidepods (from a volume perspective) vary dramatically (and I hope I am).mwillems wrote: ↑18 Jan 2024, 14:01I'm sure there will be an iterative process, I wouldn't suggest the car starting the testing will be the car finishing it as they will want to benchmark certain aspects and review the impact of each part. But I would expect it to look closer to the 24 car than the 23 and probably by a margin.SmallSoldier wrote: ↑17 Jan 2024, 22:40It will depend on what changes are made to the car and if they need to validate new developments first… Depending the architectural changes to the chasis, they may decide to test with the 2023 aero package (if it can be used with the new chassis) to validate the mechanical improvements before they use the new aero package on the car.
From an aero perspective, they may also introduce parts during testing in an step process to validate parts individually.
But as for using '23 parts, this may well be possible because it is in many ways what happened with the Austria update in that updates were brought that would work as a package at each race and with some older parts on the car, until the entire aero package was overhauled in the next 3 races. So the first update was the Sidepods, Floor, diffuser, engine cover etc... but this still covered the bulk of the car. The reason being that the parts are far less independent and the balance far more sensitive now.
But then those parts new in season were designed for that MCL60 chassis, cooling layout etc Are they that compatible? Everything tends to be quite a tight fit on these cars are we expecting the internals to not change much?
My expectation is that the team will try to avoid having to find any issues for lack of correlation (if any)… Going into testing assuming that your correlation will be 100% is a mistake in itself and if you introduce too many changes at once, it could prove hard to understand the culprit (if any).
They very well, bring a whole new car and running it from day 1… That just isn’t my expectation… I’m not saying that the whole car in testing will be the ‘23 car, the sidepods and engine cover for example may be the ‘24 car (because as you well said, they could be needed if there are require for any layout changes), but I would expect them to introduce new parts during the testing process.
When I say secondary I don't mean in terms of importance. I mean that it can't really be compared to a car with low or no down force. It's job is mostly about maintaining that stable aero platform so when the suspension is designed it's designed based on aero requirements. Aero requirements aren't based on suspension design.mwillems wrote: ↑20 Jan 2024, 06:43Regarding platform and suspension, this formula has elevated their importance as the ability to maintain the right floor profile relative to the track is crucial to extracting downforce. Each corner of the car working to keep the floor the optimum distance through braking, acceleration and all corner profiles to keep the sensitive Aero working.
Just look at Norris mid straight spin last tear at 200kph after a bump.
So I wouldn't say it is secondary, it seems intrinsic to making the aero work, aero and the platform are one and both essential to success.
Saying Oscar is "a bit weak in racing" is a pretty weak observation from an F1 racer of not too distant experience, but maybe that was just a product of a less than probing interview. Lando in his 2019 rookie year was excellent in qualifying (shaded Carlos if I recall) but scored half the total of Carlos by season end. The point is we expect Oscar to significantly up his game as Lando undoubtedly did by 2021, I'm not talking rocket science just the obvious. It's well accepted that the current large, heavy cars with the tyres they have are quite tricky to get the best of over stints at race pace and this is where Piastri is having to be a real student.mwillems wrote: ↑20 Jan 2024, 10:43Ralf Schumacher on Norris and Piastri, amongst others.
“McLaren could be possible. I have to say I’m a big fan of Oscar. The only thing is he seems still to be a bit weak in racing [conditions]. I think his qualifying performance is amazing, he never makes a mistake and he’s always there. So that’s great.
“And Lando is an amazing racer, but maybe sometimes he wants a bit too much in qualifying. And he could be the one I think to challenge Max if the car [is good enough].”