2024 Mclaren Formula 1 Team

[Emag]

Way too much black...

A summary of my feelings on the whole design language since 2022.

They have to drop the black, it's way too much. This year's livery would be perfect if the black was just meant to be used as a detailing color instead of being the predominant feature.

[Slahinki]

Way too much black...

Agreed, but at least it's not that horrid grey of the last two years.

[taperoo2k]

Personally I'm glad Mclaren has our drivers bound with our team until 2026. For 2024 and 2025 we will have stability compared to what will happen with Ferrari and Mercedes who should have announced these changes at the end of 2024 instead of at the start. On another note I feel a little annoyed by how Lewis is ignoring the team that literally created his career and I was hoping that we would see him return at some point but that's just me.

As a massive Lewis fan from his McLaren days, 2025 is going to be a painful year for me. On the one hand, I desperately want him to win this 8th (officially) drivers' title...but not in a Red car ever.

I too was dreaming that he would come back to end his career at McLaren a few years ago esp. after ALO left, but with our current lineup, I think that would be a backward step.

Here's hoping for many years of Papaya domination!

The McLaren Lewis left isn't the same McLaren Zak Brown has rebuilt from the ashes of the Ron Dennis era. Besides Lewis in a Ferrari battling Lando and/or Oscar in the McLarens would make for some exciting racing. Reigniting the old rivalry between McLaren and Ferrari would be good for F1.

With luck McLaren will be able to carry the momentum they've been building over the last few seasons into the 2026 regulation changes. I'll be happy if they do manage to challenge Red Bull from the get-go this season, but I think that's probably wishful thinking.

[Darth-Piekus]

Taperoo nobody knows unless we see the cars. How many times did Ferrari in the Schumacher era had a rocket of a car only to be behind next year? Newey also tends to screw up sometimes. Who's to say they won't screwp and our team does the better job and gain a significant advantage. The opposite could happen but who knows. We shal see in a few days.

[JPower]

Taperoo nobody knows unless we see the cars. How many times did Ferrari in the Schumacher era had a rocket of a car only to be behind next year? Newey also tends to screw up sometimes. Who's to say they won't screwp and our team does the better job and gain a significant advantage. The opposite could happen but who knows. We shal see in a few days.

Newey tends to screw up? News to me.

[Darth-Piekus]

I happen to watch F1 for a long time and Newey has screwed up a few times. The 1994 Williams comes to mind, the first Layton House of 1988, the MP4-16 of 2001, the MP4-17 of 2002, the MP4-18 as his biggest screwing and the 2006 Mclaren also. In his career he did screw up some times.

[AR3-GP]

I happen to watch F1 for a long time and Newey has screwed up a few times. The 1994 Williams comes to mind, the first Layton House of 1988, the MP4-16 of 2001, the MP4-17 of 2002, the MP4-18 as his biggest screwing and the 2006 Mclaren also. In his career he did screw up some times.

You are taking events in isolation. Mclaren was part of the reason that Newey didn't excel at Mclaren. He and Ron didn't click in many ways. This was why Newey left Mclaren.

[CjC]

I also think it didn’t help that when Neweys contract was up for renewal Dennis offered him less money that what he was already on….

[BMMR61]

I also think it didn’t help that when Neweys contract was up for renewal Dennis offered him less money that what he was already on….

Yep. The underlying complacency of the TPs who unconsciously assumed the beat would go on, forever, was a big part of what led to the fall of McLaren and now Mercedes. Of course I am assuming that this will cripple Mercedes F1, but it's hard to see a short term recruitment path to prevent an implosion. Let's hope it has little effect on the powertrain division for McLaren's sake.

[djos]

I happen to watch F1 for a long time and Newey has screwed up a few times. The 1994 Williams comes to mind, the first Layton House of 1988, the MP4-16 of 2001, the MP4-17 of 2002, the MP4-18 as his biggest screwing and the 2006 Mclaren also. In his career he did screw up some times.

The 94 Williams wasn’t his fault, the FIA banned active suspension a couple of months before the season started, and the car was designed around it.

[AR3-GP]

Also the MP4-18 would have won the championship but for reliability issues, many because of the Mercedes engine.

[djos]

McLaren have fired up their new F1 challenger for the first time as preparations gather pace ahead of the 2024 season.

https://apple.news/ArSeO5DncQ9C2GroNIkfCzw

[Darth-Piekus]

I understand that the MP4-18 would have easily won that championship but why blame Mercedes completely for the reliability? HIs size zero concept was too narrow that didn't help in engine cooling. I believe the blame should go 50-50 on that occasion.
For the 1994 Williams did you know that they actually blame him for the accident that ended Senna's life?
I will agree that both Frank Williams and Ron Dennis with their wrong decisions sent Andrian Newey to the exit still though what I am trying to say is that Andrian Newey wasn't perfect always. He did screw up a few times.

[AR3-GP]

I understand that the MP4-18 would have easily won that championship but why blame Mercedes completely for the reliability? HIs size zero concept was too narrow that didn't help in engine cooling. I believe the blame should go 50-50 on that occasion.
For the 1994 Williams did you know that they actually blame him for the accident that ended Senna's life?
I will agree that both Frank Williams and Ron Dennis with their wrong decisions sent Andrian Newey to the exit still though what I am trying to say is that Andrian Newey wasn't perfect always. He did screw up a few times.

I realize we are bouncing around between previous Mclaren eras, but I think a "fast but fragile" car isn't necessarily a screw up. "Fast but fragile" shows conceptual understanding which is priceless and more difficult to obtain than a slow but reliable car.

For example, Mclaren would be glad to have the fastest car on the grid this year, but DNF due to reliability in 4 races, than to have an average car that is reliable. It would indicate that the hardest part (aerodynamics) is understood.

[Darth-Piekus]

Personally I would prefer a car that could have both and the aerodynamics shouldn't come at the expence of reliability. It would be best to find perfect balance between the two.