+1. Very well put. No offence to dans79. This is good argument - counter argument.AR3-GP wrote: ↑08 Feb 2024, 18:55How Horner treats "invaders" doesn't give any insight to how he treats the very people he has sworn to defend in his position (his team).dans79 wrote: ↑08 Feb 2024, 18:53I think you missed the underlying point of the article, It's not what he did, it's how he did it.AR3-GP wrote: ↑08 Feb 2024, 18:49
The content of the article proves the opposite of what the author intended. The examples in the piece (Kravitz-gate, Cost cap gate) show that Christian Horner defends his team from outsiders. Christian Horner even defended Checo Perez numerous times from naysayers in this thread and beyond...Most employees could only hope that their bosses defend them rather than throw them under the bus.
I can only offer your this excerpt posted the other day by an employee of RBR:
Again, this really just comes down to people who disagree with any opinion or defense that is to the benefit of RB for the usual list of reasons....otherwise I'm unsure how you can draw the conclusions that you have from that article. They say nothing about how he treats the people that he leads, but only how he treats those who disparage his team. I feel that this is a rather elementary point.I have worked at RBR for over 20 years and I just wanted to say one thing. Firstly, none of us at the factory are any wiser as to what’s happened and this post is nothing to do with speculation or rumour.
What I did want to comment on is Christian’s character. I read a lot of comments on here saying he’s “like this” or his attitude is “like that”. It’s simply not true, he’s a natural born leader and literally everyone at work thinks very highly of him.
When he took over from Dave Pitchforth the workforce was incredibly disappointed. We all loved Dave and didn’t really know anything about Christian. It took no time at all for us all to warm to him. He makes a point to say hello or good morning to everyone, he’s approachable and he always has a smile on his face, even during tense or stressful times.
Like I said, I don’t know what the legal issues are here, but I won’t just let people say untruths about a man who I know to be a bloody decent bloke.
I see Syed pieces history he has been consistent in praising Horner for achievements and also calling out Horner for abrasive actions.Ground Effect wrote: ↑08 Feb 2024, 20:09I just wonder why these opinion pieces are just being written. If the journalist has always had a problem with Horner's style, why didn't he write an article on it all these years? After all Horner has been around for close to 20 years! It's the usual "pile on" from agenda driven journalists. I'm not a fan of Horner or Red Bull in the slightest, I actually can't stand the fella, but it's obvious what's at play here, he's not being given a fair hearing.
I read the first paragraph and it only informs us readers of Ted Kravitz saying Lewis was robbed. It fails to inform us of the fact this was just one in a long row of statements and opinions uttered by him. He is as much of a crazed fanboy as many here and it is very hard to deal with if that goes under the moniker of journalism. That could have been addressed, should have been. Otherwise it can never be a balanced piece that it pretends to be.dans79 wrote: ↑08 Feb 2024, 17:58A very strong opinion piece, that i have to say isn't wrong!
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Syed has written stuff about it in the past, he even referenced one of his pieces in the article, and the consequences of writing it.Ground Effect wrote: ↑08 Feb 2024, 20:09I just wonder why these opinion pieces are just being written. If the journalist has always had a problem with Horner's style, why didn't he write an article on it all these years?
One of the reasons a lot of people haven't seen much of the articles like this one from Syed, is because they show up in newspapers. Sadly as someone who's first job at 11 was delivering newspapers, I have to say old school print media is dead.I found myself under attack for the column on Twitter, now X, from people associated with Red Bull, via email, and even through a complaint to the Independent Press Standards Organization (Ipso) describing the article as "disgustingly inaccurate" and "dangerous". Ipso found no grounds to identify a breach of the Editors Code of Practice.
Syed is a coward. He did an interview with Horner just a few weeks ago on Sky, specifically talking about leadership. Not once did he raise any concerns or give any pushback on Horner or his leadership style. Then now, in the information vacuum of a brewing controversy surrounding Horner, he writes a hit piece saying he was always concerned. Well, why didn't you bring it up when you were speaking to the man just a few weeks ago? It was the perfect setting to talk about just that.Ground Effect wrote: ↑08 Feb 2024, 20:09I just wonder why these opinion pieces are just being written. If the journalist has always had a problem with Horner's style, why didn't he write an article on it all these years? After all Horner has been around for close to 20 years! It's the usual "pile on" from agenda driven journalists. I'm not a fan of Horner or Red Bull in the slightest, I actually can't stand the fella, but it's obvious what's at play here, he's not being given a fair hearing.
Truly spineless behaviour. And the content of the article is just generic. TPs are hypocrites by trade, they protect their own when attacked from media or otherwise and go on the offensive when they smell blood from someone else, that's their job. Toto famously talks about adopting a "bunker mentality", this is what that is in action. Maybe he was afraid Horner would go after him, or that Fans of Horner would go after him like they have in the past when he was critical of him.
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A journalist who is afraid of people who are disagree with him?! he is referring to the people that tried to get his press credentials revoked (and failed), or sent him what I assume are harassing email (something that is illegal in my part of the world)
Fans of Horner are less likely to come after him after this hit piece when Horner is not even in a position to respond? He literally had the perfect opportunity to broach this topic when just the two of them were having a chat about leadership. He could have done it in a classy way without being overly accusatory, and then given Horner a chance to respond to his concerns. But instead we have to behave like teenage girls and grovel when we talk face to face only to later publish a hit piece saying "I was always concerned". He obviously doesn't like the guy and took the opportunity to stab him in the back instead of the front when he had the chance, like a coward.
Didn't Horner block ban some journalists and media?
