I agree, never said otherwise. I countered the resemblance which I disagree with.Cs98 wrote:This is getting OT in the RB thread, but I think it's quite clear a lot of teams have taken a lot of inspiration from RB19.
I agree, never said otherwise. I countered the resemblance which I disagree with.Cs98 wrote:This is getting OT in the RB thread, but I think it's quite clear a lot of teams have taken a lot of inspiration from RB19.
Red Bull plans to bring its "own zeropod" design to the Japanese Grand Prix weekend!
The current exterior and sidepod design is planned for high-temperature tests and the first three races.
Mercedes was not successful in the zeropod design, let's see what Red Bull will do?
I mean, if true, this is huge news. Let's see what they bring and how they approach the concept "zeropods", IMO is risky.
All of RB heads have been saying up to the rb20 launch it would be conservative and natural evolution of rb19 and the tune changed a lot at the launch. Seems it's all a game of misdirection for themDoctorRadio wrote: ↑17 Feb 2024, 14:08Didn’t Newey say in a podcast a couple of weeks ago that they preferred the prudent and conservative way as in this budget cap formula they couldn’t afford different innovative projects?
Is he known to talk BS (genuine question)?
For the sake of the season that is going to be a walk in the park for Red Bull anyway, I hope the rumor is not true and all they will bring is just a tighter package as it happens with the normal in-season development.
His often given view is, why would you discard hard researched development if you can keep refining it, over many years.DoctorRadio wrote: ↑17 Feb 2024, 14:08Didn’t Newey say in a podcast a couple of weeks ago that they preferred the prudent and conservative way as in this budget cap formula they couldn’t afford different innovative projects?
Is he known to talk BS (genuine question)?
For the sake of the season that is going to be a walk in the park for Red Bull anyway, I hope the rumor is not true and all they will bring is just a tighter package as it happens with the normal in-season development.
Their floor was the best but couldn't use it because they didn't think about porpoising and the suspensions were not suitedEspresso wrote: ↑17 Feb 2024, 12:31Well I was always convinced the zeropod was a good option as design. It’s showed it’s speed on a very few ‘controlled’ situations.
Mercedes’s flaw was the suspension and the floor. The mandatory increase in ride height (who dunnit?) made it even worse. They just couldn’t keep the floor horizontal in all race conditions. Hence all the weird problems.
Lucky Newey/Wache are not proud to look at the past and the competition. Might even suspect they smiled as MB communicated a full redesign of the car as they knew (but didn’t want to show) the zeropod flaws can be solved.
Apply lessons learned and new ideas to the RB20. Openminded as they’ve always been!
RB hasn’t beaten anyone yet with this new car.RedNEO wrote: ↑17 Feb 2024, 11:13It must make Mercedes feel humiliated to be dominated in 2023 so brutally and then the same team uses their old design they got smashed with to beat them again. WildKimiRai wrote: ↑17 Feb 2024, 11:01what?Red Bull plans to bring its "own zeropod" design to the Japanese Grand Prix weekend!
The current exterior and sidepod design is planned for high-temperature tests and the first three races.
Mercedes was not successful in the zeropod design, let's see what Red Bull will do?
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"Our floor was the best if it weren't for all those problems we didn't anticipate". Quite a meaningless perspective.Venturiation wrote: ↑17 Feb 2024, 14:26Their floor was the best but couldn't use it because they didn't think about porpoising and the suspensions were not suitedEspresso wrote: ↑17 Feb 2024, 12:31Well I was always convinced the zeropod was a good option as design. It’s showed it’s speed on a very few ‘controlled’ situations.
Mercedes’s flaw was the suspension and the floor. The mandatory increase in ride height (who dunnit?) made it even worse. They just couldn’t keep the floor horizontal in all race conditions. Hence all the weird problems.
Lucky Newey/Wache are not proud to look at the past and the competition. Might even suspect they smiled as MB communicated a full redesign of the car as they knew (but didn’t want to show) the zeropod flaws can be solved.
Apply lessons learned and new ideas to the RB20. Openminded as they’ve always been!
The spain update that decreased the porpoising was done by nerfing heavily the floor
After that they found out they had bouncing due to the suspensions
In 2023 instead of working on their suspensions and bringing back the monster floor they just increased the ride height so much that the car became just slow
He said this:DoctorRadio wrote: ↑17 Feb 2024, 14:08Didn’t Newey say in a podcast a couple of weeks ago that they preferred the prudent and conservative way as in this budget cap formula they couldn’t afford different innovative projects?
Is he known to talk BS (genuine question)?
For the sake of the season that is going to be a walk in the park for Red Bull anyway, I hope the rumor is not true and all they will bring is just a tighter package as it happens with the normal in-season development.
There's no reason to doubt that he's straight-up lying here. I believe him that this will be the third evolution of the RB18, albeit with some interesting solutions. The zero-pod rumour will likely be, at best, slightly more 'aggressive' sidepods as part of the first upgrade package, with the media calling it zero-pods for clicks/engagement.“This year’s car is the third evolution of that original RB18. Now, what we don’t know, of course, is [whether] the third evolution is too conservative while others have done something different. You just don’t know.
“It’s a difficult one. This is that [question] of whether we should have a group that goes out and looks at completely left-field ideas. Or do we keep developing the route we’ve taken?
“We’re resource-limited. So we can’t do everything and can’t look at every avenue. So we’ve taken the approach of developing what we’ve got. Hopefully, that’ll be the prudent thing.”
Kind of contradictory I demand you reveal what you know!mzivtins wrote: ↑17 Feb 2024, 14:39No I don't, but we made the joke over on discord that people would be all over it like a tramp on chips.
Trouble with a lot of f1 journalism is that it's a lot of people shouting loud all the time with tiny bits of information. It's just funny to see
I don't have a source, family and friends work at RBR, some for a decade