Schumi comes back

[dave34m]

i think its a different case all together.
the difference is that JA is an active racing driver, but where as MS is a retired man who hasnt been in a race car for a extended period of time.
And JA is a replacement for SB which the FIA and the teams could argue that they should just go with SB.
However in the Ferrari case Schumi is subbing for Massa which he is unable to drive.
If Ferrari drop Kimi for lack of performance and sub Schumacher in then they shouldnt be given test times at all.

Not valid either, Ferrari could have used either of their current backup drivers, it isnt as if they had no options. Schumacher has free practice to get up to speed. If he cant do that then he was a poor option.

[Giblet]

They asked FOTA for permission? I thought the FIA run F1? What about Williams & FIF1? The outside the "spirit of the rules" testing of the F2007 on GP2 slicks wasnt enough? Now he gets to go do a whole day's test in the F60? Totally ridiculous the way any & every rule is bent for Ferrari.

It is merely a sporting, or gentlemen's agreement, between the teams to not test. There is no contract, but in the event of any change to a verbal or written or implied contract, all parties must agree.

Also, who can really stop someone, like MS, from driving a Formula 1 car he owns? It's a bit of a grey area, so Ferrari did what they should and asked.

[mike]

i think its a different case all together.
the difference is that JA is an active racing driver, but where as MS is a retired man who hasnt been in a race car for a extended period of time.
And JA is a replacement for SB which the FIA and the teams could argue that they should just go with SB.
However in the Ferrari case Schumi is subbing for Massa which he is unable to drive.
If Ferrari drop Kimi for lack of performance and sub Schumacher in then they shouldnt be given test times at all.

Not valid either, Ferrari could have used either of their current backup drivers, it isnt as if they had no options. Schumacher has free practice to get up to speed. If he cant do that then he was a poor option.

Well its up to the teams who they pick to drive, and its clear that MS has the most experience to drive the F60 as he tested the F2008 on slicks, no other avalible ferrari driver has that experience. And all the teams agree to let him do it.

[tk421]

dave34m, you've clearly been outclassed; your case carries no weight and your claims are baseless. good luck in the future.

[dave34m]

dave34m, you're just outclassed and outnumbered here man; nothing personal...

Yeah i think youre right, lol, it would be nice to see schumacher race on equal terms as the rest of the field thou wouldn't it?

[RacingManiac]

They asked FOTA for permission? I thought the FIA run F1? What about Williams & FIF1? The outside the "spirit of the rules" testing of the F2007 on GP2 slicks wasnt enough? Now he gets to go do a whole day's test in the F60? Totally ridiculous the way any & every rule is bent for Ferrari.

There is no rule stopping Ferrari's F1 Clienti program, I don't think there are rules stopping any of the curret driver to go out and drive an old car for a hobby. As far as the running of the F2007 goes that was not grey, it was black and white in that it is allowed. Ferrari run the Clienti program as a service to their collector who buys the ex-racecar. Now today the owner of that car lend the car to Schumacher, and Clienti program runs the car for Schumacher, on the private owner's behalf. Today its Schumacher, tomorrow it could be my father, makes little difference....

F60 is obviously different altogether. The test "ban" + factory shutdown is a gentleman's agreement between the teams. Just as they agreed to not work it just as well to agree to let him drive the car. Now it is not obviously outside of the spirit of the agreement, I think, for the other teams to request for a day of testing on their own, should they see it as an advantage to the Ferrari. If I were Williams or FI F1 I'd definitely do it......

[ISLAMATRON]

YEs because anybody can just go to their local firestone and buy a set of GP2 spec tires right? Which just hapen to be very close spec to the F1 tires.

[flynfrog]

YEs because anybody can just go to their local firestone and buy a set of GP2 spec tires right? Which just hapen to be very close spec to the F1 tires.

To be honest I would have put the GP2 tires on the F60 and claimed it was not an F1 spec car and there for not an F1 test.

[RacingManiac]

Can GP2 teams go out and test on weekends? In most series you can buy tires for your own use between races anyway....

[dave34m]

They asked FOTA for permission? I thought the FIA run F1? What about Williams & FIF1? The outside the "spirit of the rules" testing of the F2007 on GP2 slicks wasnt enough? Now he gets to go do a whole day's test in the F60? Totally ridiculous the way any & every rule is bent for Ferrari.

There is no rule stopping Ferrari's F1 Clienti program, I don't think there are rules stopping any of the curret driver to go out and drive an old car for a hobby. As far as the running of the F2007 goes that was not grey, it was black and white in that it is allowed. Ferrari run the Clienti program as a service to their collector who buys the ex-racecar. Now today the owner of that car lend the car to Schumacher, and Clienti program runs the car for Schumacher, on the private owner's behalf. Today its Schumacher, tomorrow it could be my father, makes little difference....

F60 is obviously different altogether. The test "ban" + factory shutdown is a gentleman's agreement between the teams. Just as they agreed to not work it just as well to agree to let him drive the car. Now it is not obviously outside of the spirit of the agreement, I think, for the other teams to request for a day of testing on their own, should they see it as an advantage to the Ferrari. If I were Williams or FI F1 I'd definitely do it......

If the testing ban is a gentlemans agreement then whats rule 21.1c all about then, it states:
c) No track testing may take place between the start of the week preceding the first Event of the Championship and 31 December of the same year.

[flynfrog]

Can GP2 teams go out and test on weekends? In most series you can buy tires for your own use between races anyway....

but but but Ferrari is cheating

[andartop]

I believe there is no issue here.
Schumacher is a 7 time world champion and people love him.
Just by showing up at the paddock, he gives more value to F1 than the other competing 3 WDCs together.
If he pisses in a corner, the corner is named "Schumacher's Gold", and flowers grow in the tarmac the next day.
He owns the sport, and all other drivers and Teams are his bitches. If he says jump, people jump.
I'm sure with a full day of testing he will improve the car by at least 0.7-0.8 sec per lap.
Then he will dominate the remaining races and win his 8th WDC.
It will be branded "The Return Of The King", and it will be his long waited for revenge for 1999.


Or not.

[WhiteBlue]

What Ferrari and Michael do with the clienti program is their own business. Its completely fair to use all means to get up to speed and develop neck muscles. =D>

The FOTA move to give him one day in the F60 just shows what a Ferrari lap dog FOTA is. I love Michael to come back but I think that rules are the same for all.

Asking is not an problem, fair enough. But I don't think that Williams can afford to give freebies to anyone, let alone Ferrari. So I fully expect that F60 test not to happen. Of course Ferrari may drop an envelope with concessions in the resource document at Grove.

[RacingManiac]

They haven't commit any "crime" yet....at least wait til it's been commited to complain....

Even the GP2 tires are still just that, GP2 tires, not F1 tire. For this purpose they might as well be Bridgestone Blizzak snow tires it still does not make it F1 tires.

[siskue2005]

They asked FOTA for permission? I thought the FIA run F1? What about Williams & FIF1?

how convenient for you to twist what really happened :^o
They asked their rival teams which have FOTA and non FOTA teams + FIA
FOTA teams agreed dont know about the other 2 parties.

Ferrari has asked rival teams for permission to have Michael Schumacher test this year's car during the testing ban ahead of the European Grand Prix.

But Ferrari has written to the FIA and to its rival teams asking to allow Schumacher to test for a day with this year's F60 car in order to arrive better prepared for the Valencia race.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/77456

The outside the "spirit of the rules" testing of the F2007 on GP2 slicks wasnt enough?

outside the spirit of rule??

you know what is the rule first of all??

no testing with current and previous yrs cars ....thats the only rule
you can buy f1 cars 2 yrs old and run anywhere.....even you and me can do that if u have the money
and GP2 tyres would make the test simply useless for any data collection
thats why they purposly used that tyres.
this was just a test to get the cars feel and g forces

Now he gets to go do a whole day's test in the F60? Totally ridiculous the way any & every rule is bent for Ferrari.

Its totally upto FIA and all teams to agree
the testing ban is a agreement between team and FIA
What is the problem in asking??
if all the parties agree whats ur problem??
who are you to disagree?
do u have stakes in F1?? or any Vote in to veto this test?

and moreover this test (if it goes through) will be watched by FIA officals ...to make sure they dont use any new parts