RB?
Red Bull or Red Bull 2??
I was just basing it on the C3 comparison lap between lando and Max on day 1. Lando lost 2 tenths there relative to the Red bull. Also locked up there a few times on his race sim on day 1SmallSoldier wrote: ↑22 Feb 2024, 21:55T10 deficit? The car didn’t seem to have a deficit in T10… I haven’t immersed myself on the data because it’s testing and it’s hard to make assessments, but I haven’t seeing anything in the telemetry that indicates a deficit in T10… If anything, with the same compound, the MCL38 was carrying more speed through T10 than RB / Ferrariorganic wrote: ↑22 Feb 2024, 21:28Sounds very good. I suppose the margin with mechanical side explains their slow corner T1 and T10 deficit atmCjC wrote: ↑22 Feb 2024, 21:27https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/what- ... /10578852/
It’s behind a paywall so I’ll summarise what Stella said.
Grip at the rear axle has improved. Overall more grip. There is still a margin to work on the mechanical set up.
Overall more aerodynamic load needs to be brought to the car with the upcoming updates. There no architecture shortfalls.
Does he say when the updates will come
I see, I would just be careful of making an assertion based on testing, specially day 1… Today, it was a different picture… The teams are all working on setup changes and understanding… I don’t know if we can determine “weaknesses” at this point yet.organic wrote: ↑22 Feb 2024, 21:58I was just basing it on the C3 comparison lap between lando and Max on day 1. Lando lost 2 tenths there relative to the Red bull. Also locked up there a few times on his race sim on day 1SmallSoldier wrote: ↑22 Feb 2024, 21:55T10 deficit? The car didn’t seem to have a deficit in T10… I haven’t immersed myself on the data because it’s testing and it’s hard to make assessments, but I haven’t seeing anything in the telemetry that indicates a deficit in T10… If anything, with the same compound, the MCL38 was carrying more speed through T10 than RB / Ferrari
“In terms of report from the two days, I would say that starting from a performance point of view, the car delivers what we expected,” Stella said. “No big surprises — which in itself is some good news, because there are some elements of innovation in the car. So we wanted to see how they would have worked trackside, and they seem in line with expectations.
“I think the car is a good foundation for development — it’s a step forward compared to last year’s car. But overall, I can see that many cars have made a step forward, which is normal. Everyone finds performance in every week of development.
“There’s one car that seems to have found a big step — unfortunately, the car that was already the quickest last year. Some cars, I would say the group was already quite compact last year and, to me, it looks even more compact this year. That’s what we have learned from a competitiveness point of view.
“Otherwise, apart from this little setback on the fuel system, it’s been a relatively smooth session. Oscar and Lando could learn everything pretty much we could learn in a couple of days; a bit more to do tomorrow, especially for Oscar who has run the afternoon session. There’s quite a bit to cash in because clearly the track improves dramatically from like four o’clock onwards, and what you do in the morning session is relevant but not fully representative.”
“We had to check something in the fuel tank this afternoon. It allowed us to run while we were starting race simulation, but actually we needed to stop the race simulation, so we didn’t bring this achievement home today, because we needed to get into the fuel system. We changed some parts and the car was in condition to go again. So, a little setback but we have identified and will look into what the exact reason is.”
Yeah sorry, Red Bull. That's going to be annoying...
Indeed. Thanks for clarifying. Just had a mini heart attack thinking you meant RB2!
Mind sharing where the interview was shown?
This is more or less the 3rd time that I noticed Stella tempering expectation and pointing to future developments rather than being particularly effusive about the car's current state. The message is clear to me. I don't think they are going to be as high as they would like to start, but they know they have stuff in the pipeline and there is a big upgrade in Japan in order to try and close the gap to RB.organic wrote: ↑22 Feb 2024, 22:01Stella full comments:
“In terms of report from the two days, I would say that starting from a performance point of view, the car delivers what we expected,” Stella said. “No big surprises — which in itself is some good news, because there are some elements of innovation in the car. So we wanted to see how they would have worked trackside, and they seem in line with expectations.
“I think the car is a good foundation for development — it’s a step forward compared to last year’s car. But overall, I can see that many cars have made a step forward, which is normal. Everyone finds performance in every week of development.
“There’s one car that seems to have found a big step — unfortunately, the car that was already the quickest last year. Some cars, I would say the group was already quite compact last year and, to me, it looks even more compact this year. That’s what we have learned from a competitiveness point of view.“Otherwise, apart from this little setback on the fuel system, it’s been a relatively smooth session. Oscar and Lando could learn everything pretty much we could learn in a couple of days; a bit more to do tomorrow, especially for Oscar who has run the afternoon session. There’s quite a bit to cash in because clearly the track improves dramatically from like four o’clock onwards, and what you do in the morning session is relevant but not fully representative.”
“We had to check something in the fuel tank this afternoon. It allowed us to run while we were starting race simulation, but actually we needed to stop the race simulation, so we didn’t bring this achievement home today, because we needed to get into the fuel system. We changed some parts and the car was in condition to go again. So, a little setback but we have identified and will look into what the exact reason is.”
It was on Sky today, I couldn't find it on YouTube. All in all it was a great interview, highly informative and saying what Strlla and others have said, RB are in a league of their own doing things that no one else is.trinidefender wrote: ↑22 Feb 2024, 22:30Mind sharing where the interview was shown?
Also, I missed the bit about the step in red bull performance from Stella. Appreciate being called out on it by the 3 commenters who did.
I sort of thought he was tempering in relation to RB more than anything else, but you may be right.AR3-GP wrote: ↑22 Feb 2024, 22:49This is more or less the 3rd time that I noticed Stella tempering expectation and pointing to future developments rather than being particularly effusive about the car's current state. The message is clear to me. I don't think they are going to be as high as they would like to start, but they know they have stuff in the pipeline and there is a big upgrade in Japan in order to try and close the gap to RB.organic wrote: ↑22 Feb 2024, 22:01Stella full comments:
“In terms of report from the two days, I would say that starting from a performance point of view, the car delivers what we expected,” Stella said. “No big surprises — which in itself is some good news, because there are some elements of innovation in the car. So we wanted to see how they would have worked trackside, and they seem in line with expectations.
“I think the car is a good foundation for development — it’s a step forward compared to last year’s car. But overall, I can see that many cars have made a step forward, which is normal. Everyone finds performance in every week of development.
“There’s one car that seems to have found a big step — unfortunately, the car that was already the quickest last year. Some cars, I would say the group was already quite compact last year and, to me, it looks even more compact this year. That’s what we have learned from a competitiveness point of view.“Otherwise, apart from this little setback on the fuel system, it’s been a relatively smooth session. Oscar and Lando could learn everything pretty much we could learn in a couple of days; a bit more to do tomorrow, especially for Oscar who has run the afternoon session. There’s quite a bit to cash in because clearly the track improves dramatically from like four o’clock onwards, and what you do in the morning session is relevant but not fully representative.”
“We had to check something in the fuel tank this afternoon. It allowed us to run while we were starting race simulation, but actually we needed to stop the race simulation, so we didn’t bring this achievement home today, because we needed to get into the fuel system. We changed some parts and the car was in condition to go again. So, a little setback but we have identified and will look into what the exact reason is.”
Yes I think I mean the same thing. I actually don't know specifically where Mclaren falls amongst the other cars, but certainly looking at RB, I don't think Mclaren feel they will be challenging them right away. That's something they will only be able to aim for with upgrades to the current car and Stella has been talking like Mclaren knows these areas and has the solutions in the windtunnel already for Japan.mwillems wrote: ↑22 Feb 2024, 23:10I sort of thought he was tempering in relation to RB more than anything else, but you may be right.AR3-GP wrote: ↑22 Feb 2024, 22:49This is more or less the 3rd time that I noticed Stella tempering expectation and pointing to future developments rather than being particularly effusive about the car's current state. The message is clear to me. I don't think they are going to be as high as they would like to start, but they know they have stuff in the pipeline and there is a big upgrade in Japan in order to try and close the gap to RB.