Schumi comes back

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ISLAMATRON wrote:So you think costs will remain the same if everyone starts running 2007 machines in a semi 2009 spec on GP2 tires bought off of Ebay(as jason.parker.86 suggests)

Running cost car to car, probably not that different, if you are just running a car for a day without doing anything to it.

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Does anyone have a link to an article about STR requesting a test for Alguersuari?

I check the news like a mad dog but I don't recall seeing anything about that. Hency why it was never posted in our news section.
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bhallg2k wrote:Ferrari, on the other hand, were forced to replace Massa. This wasn't something they were seeking out, and it seems entirely fair to me that his replacement get the opportunity to test since this situation was unforeseen and unplanned.
The regulations have a provision built in just for this situation. A team names two drivers, and two test/reserve drivers. In case one of the primary race drivers is unable to compete, then one of the test/reserve drivers takes his place. For Ferrari, Badoeur or Gene fall within this classification.
Other teams, such as STR, follow the regulations. But not only have Ferrari chosen to ignore this regulation, but they also have the brass balls to request special dispensation to allow testing by Schumacher.
If Gene or Badoeur were not considered race-worthy by Ferrari and they have to scramble to find an acceptable driver to replace Massa, then it's ferrari's problem. They made a mistake in driver selection, and have to live with just one more bad decision.
The rules are supposed to be applied fairly and evenly to all, without exceptions.
Do not confuse Massa's personal tragedy with Ferrari's need to find a replacement.

This whole business about Schumacher running laps in a 2 year-old car is purely to assist Schumacher in his return to competition. Although this is not in opposition to the regulations, it is definitely pushing the boundaries in sportsmanship that is supposed to exist between teams. Oh well, this only supports my belief that Ferrari does not play well with others.
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mx_tifosi wrote:Does anyone have a link to an article about STR requesting a test for Alguersuari?
Just found this one:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/77540
"We asked for a test permission for Alguersuari before the Hungarian GP and it was turned down," said Mateschitz. "So why should we approve an exemption for a seven-time-champion after this?
Kimi Räikkönen
Nico Hülkenberg

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I dont remember it being reported about STR asking either, but that doesnt really mean it didnt happen.

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Thanks KMR_NH, but I was refering to the original article where they requested the test.

I wonder who STR asked though, since Norbert Haug said they never got that request. If FOTA recieve a request then every team should be notified right?

Something is off about this.

And it's fair that Schumacher was denied the test. The owner of the F2007 should be ready to have it strung out by Schumacher once again though...
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DaveKillens wrote: This whole business about Schumacher running laps in a 2 year-old car is purely to assist Schumacher in his return to competition. Although this is not in opposition to the regulations, it is definitely pushing the boundaries in sportsmanship that is supposed to exist between teams. Oh well, this only supports my belief that Ferrari does not play well with others.
Yes and that is also a viable method for anyone to follow as well, except for whatever reason, they chose not to. For all intents and purpose, Jaime should be out in something that is faster than an F3 car before he got in a F1 car. Be it as old F1 car, or have him somehow raced in a GP2 race or something....or hell, an older champcar or something.....On the front of physical demand, any driver really needs to be verified that they can handle something for prolong period, then be allowed to go on the track for the race weekend....personally that should be a pre-requisite for super license, be it as a new driver in JA's case, or in Michael's case, an re-issue after being away from the sport. Anything extra, like what MS will likely be doing now, is gravy....

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DaveKillens wrote:The regulations have a provision built in just for this situation. A team names two drivers, and two test/reserve drivers. In case one of the primary race drivers is unable to compete, then one of the test/reserve drivers takes his place. For Ferrari, Badoeur or Gene fall within this classification.
Other teams, such as STR, follow the regulations. But not only have Ferrari chosen to ignore this regulation, but they also have the brass balls to request special dispensation to allow testing by Schumacher.
If Gene or Badoeur were not considered race-worthy by Ferrari and they have to scramble to find an acceptable driver to replace Massa, then it's ferrari's problem. They made a mistake in driver selection, and have to live with just one more bad decision.
The rules are supposed to be applied fairly and evenly to all, without exceptions.
Do not confuse Massa's personal tragedy with Ferrari's need to find a replacement.
Untrue. The regulations do not stipulate that a team name four drivers, only that a maximum of four drivers may be used in a season.

19) CHANGES OF DRIVER
19.1 a) During a season each team will be permitted to use four drivers. Changes may be made at any time before the start of the qualifying practice session provided any change proposed after 16.00 on the day of scrutineering receives the consent of the stewards.
Additional changes for reasons of force majeure will be considered separately.
Any new driver may score points in the Championship.
b) In addition to the above each team will be permitted to run additional drivers during P1 and P2 provided :
- the stewards are informed which cars and drivers each team intends to use in each session before the end of initial scrutineering, changes after this time may only be made with the consent of the stewards ;
- no more than two drivers are used in any one session ;
- they carry the race number of the nominated driver they replace ;
- they are in possession of a Super Licence.
c) If one of the team’s nominated drivers is unable to drive at some stage after the end of initial scrutineering, and the stewards consent to a change of driver, the replacement driver must use the engine, gearbox and tyres which were allocated to the original driver (see Articles 25.3 and 28.4).


With that in mind, why would Ferrari, or any other team, take a test driver when a seven-time World Champion is also on the payroll?

As for the F2007 test being a sign that Ferrari doesn't play well with others, well, that may well just be true. But there's nothing to stop any other team from doing the exact same thing. I would not have objected to STR testing Alguersuari in an STR2.

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DaveKillens wrote:...Other teams, such as STR, follow the regulations. But not only have Ferrari chosen to ignore this regulation, but they also have the brass balls to request special dispensation to allow testing by Schumacher.
But since it is reported now they asked for the exact same thing, what is the difference between STR and Ferrari? That the one didn't even get reported and the other get a shitstorm of criticism just for asking?
DaveKillens wrote:This whole business about Schumacher running laps in a 2 year-old car is purely to assist Schumacher in his return to competition.
Of course it is. They said so themselves. They wanted this so Schumi could be better prepared. Is it really that inappropriate for an athlete to want to train before competing?!
DaveKillens wrote:Although this is not in opposition to the regulations, it is definitely pushing the boundaries in sportsmanship that is supposed to exist between teams. Oh well, this only supports my belief that Ferrari does not play well with others.
Please provide an example of a F1 team that "plays well with others"! McLaren? Williams and FI? The DDD trio? Renault? RBR - STR?
I'm sure there have been many instances in the past where each and every one of the F1 teams have really pushed the boundaries of Sportsmanship to the limit (or beyond), but I think this whole deal is hugely blown out of proportion..
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Howett was quick to give FOTA's acceptance before even asking any of the other teams, even though fully 25% of them (RBR &STR) clearly would not accept. Of course since Luca the president of Both FOTA & Ferrari, would look too biased they got another one, Howett, to speak for the whole group.
mx_tifosi wrote:I wonder who STR asked though, since Norbert Haug said they never got that request. If FOTA recieve a request then every team should be notified right?

Something is off about this.

And it's fair that Schumacher was denied the test. The owner of the F2007 should be ready to have it strung out by Schumacher once again though...
You are asuuming FOTA serves all the teams in it, when in actuality it is all about Ferrari and toyOTA

STR probly asked the FIA first and was quickly denied, Ferrari went straight to FOTA where they knew they had the Number 1 and Number 2 men already in their pocket.

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ISLAMATRON wrote: You are asuuming FOTA serves all the teams in it, when in actuality it is all about Ferrari and toyOTA
Yet BMW, Red Bull, STR, Brawn, McLaren and Renault all stood with Ferrari and Toyota, and threatened to walk out on the FIA a few weeks ago. A FAR larger issue than a one day test, and they all stood together.

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The FOZ wrote:
ISLAMATRON wrote: You are asuuming FOTA serves all the teams in it, when in actuality it is all about Ferrari and toyOTA
Yet BMW, Red Bull, STR, Brawn, McLaren and Renault all stood with Ferrari and Toyota, and threatened to walk out on the FIA a few weeks ago. A FAR larger issue than a one day test, and they all stood together.
Ever heard the term "politics makes strange bed fellows"? most of those teams were fighting for a bigger piece of the FOM pie, which I hope they all got with the new concorde( they clearly deserve it), their best bet was to bite the bullet and team up with the likes of Ferrari. Hoping Ferrari wouldnt sell them out like last time.

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ISLAMATRON wrote:
The FOZ wrote:
ISLAMATRON wrote: You are asuuming FOTA serves all the teams in it, when in actuality it is all about Ferrari and toyOTA
Yet BMW, Red Bull, STR, Brawn, McLaren and Renault all stood with Ferrari and Toyota, and threatened to walk out on the FIA a few weeks ago. A FAR larger issue than a one day test, and they all stood together.
Ever heard the term "politics makes strange bed fellows"? most of those teams were fighting for a bigger piece of the FOM pie, which I hope they all got with the new concorde( they clearly deserve it), their best bet was to bite the bullet and team up with the likes of Ferrari. Hoping Ferrari wouldnt sell them out like last time.
To reply in kind,

Ever hear of the term "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me?"

Bottom line, FOTA is as tightly bound a group as the current day's biggest issue is to their entire membership. As soon as it suits them to break rank, they do, only to stand together when the issue affects them all. Must drive the FIA crazy...

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you mean break rank like BMW did? great! the better for us fans, no BMW's but 3 Ferraris... yeay!!!! yippee!!!

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Off topic a bit:

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/n ... 3606.shtml
Like many other drivers, David Coulthard had been linked with Felipe Massa's vacant seat, but he seemed to scoff at the reliability of those rumours in conversation with Britain's Daily Telegraph.

"Well, I couldn't keep up with Kimi when I was at McLaren so what f*****g chance would I have now?!" said the Scot.
Priceless! :lol: :lol: DC is way too frank about himself.