2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[codetower]

Those people know Horner personally and will be privy to far more information than I will ever get access to. I tend to believe their perception is likely to be true

Those people would be Helmut Marko, Adrian Newey and Max Verstappen, who are threatening to exit per reports. Three biggest names in the team after Horner threatening to go, wanna bet they are not the only ones? You can try to wave this off and stand on RB press releases about everything being fine, it's clearly not. Horner may have held a rally at the factory last week, but that was before the leak. Now everyone knows what this is about and they can make up their own mind, and safe to say it doesn't look that great when Horner won't deny the contents of said leak. Horner is a liability now, Max, Newey and Marko are not.

Are Newey and Max threatening to go? I know Jos is threatening him and Max leaving, but I am not so sure Max cares. I haven't heard Newey threatening to leave.

[Cs98]

Those people know Horner personally and will be privy to far more information than I will ever get access to. I tend to believe their perception is likely to be true

Those people would be Helmut Marko, Adrian Newey and Max Verstappen, who are threatening to exit per reports. Three biggest names in the team after Horner threatening to go, wanna bet they are not the only ones? You can try to wave this off and stand on RB press releases about everything being fine, it's clearly not. Horner may have held a rally at the factory last week, but that was before the leak. Now everyone knows what this is about and they can make up their own mind, and safe to say it doesn't look that great when Horner won't deny the contents of said leak. Horner is a liability now, Max, Newey and Marko are not.

Are Newey and Max threatening to go? I know Jos is threatening him and Max leaving, but I am not so sure Max cares. I haven't heard Newey threatening to leave.

There was the quote from Berger who was also at the race and obviously knows all the people involved. He's well connected with Austrian side of RB. Then there was Marko who said "I won't stand in his way" when asked about Verstappen leaving the team through the "Marko clause" (basically Verstappen can get out of his contract any time if Marko leaves). Besides, Jos and Max are family and have shared interests here, not far to say Max shares these sentiments and lets Jos say what he can't.

[Alonsismo]

or Alonso+ max to battle against ham + lec at ferrari

Alonso + Max + Adrian Newey in Red Bull would be such a nuclear combination so out of this world that it would make the dominance of the last few years look like a joke, destroying absolutely everything that dares stand up to them... themselves included

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/47/12/89 ... dfb6da.gif

and all of us would love to see that combo.
it could be one of the best F1 seasons ever.

[chrisc90]

I think all this, "if one leave then I leave, they leave, he leaves, she leaves" contract stuff is absolutely rubbish in my opinion. I simply cannot see that having the main key players in a team being linked together being plausible.

[izzy]

espn is saying Jos won't be in Saudi

[chrisc90]

espn is saying Jos won't be in Saudi

I stated this earlier - maybe in the Horner thread - however I have since read he is attending a rally event that weekend - rather than RB not allowing him there.

[TNTHead]

Is this discussing some gossip? I tend to think that things are over exaggerated. Just wait and see. Max leaving this team just because his father tells him seems really far fetched.

I even wonder - which is pure speculation- that some have interest in derailing the team. Politics and manipulation are normally not far away in F1, thats also part of it.

[Sieper]

And for the people who don’t follow Jos, he is rallying now for a few years, this year he already ran a few races and this is the next one on the schedule.

[izzy]

espn is saying Jos won't be in Saudi

I stated this earlier - maybe in the Horner thread - however I have since read he is attending a rally event that weekend - rather than RB not allowing him there.

Ah, alright sorry, yes okay, but. The rallying is optional isn't it. He's just come out against Horner, with a claim about the team being torn apart that doesn't have any corroboration at this point. The 51% owner of Red Bull was sitting with Christian and Geri last weekend, after the enquiry cleared him. So while we're just joining dots I'm adding this one.

The espn article gives this absolute torpedo on Jos, that fits with Horner wanting him out of the garage:

After a 1998 fight at a go-kart track, he was issued with a five-year noncustodial sentence by a Belgian court, having been found guilty of fracturing the victim's skull.

In 2008, Jos Verstappen was fined and given a three-month suspended sentence for threatening Sophie Kumpen, Max's mother, and violating a restraining order.

In November 2011, he denied an assault accusation by an unnamed 24-year-old girlfriend. In January 2012, he was arrested on a charge of attempted murder following claims he had driven a car into his ex-girlfriend in the Netherlands. He was released after two weeks in jail when the charge was withdrawn due to a lack of evidence.

This is probably by a journo who's seen the leak of supposed Whatsapps.

[CHT]

Neither Max or Perez will leave RBR due to CH, as F1 drivers they are not in control or responsible for other people's private lives and their job is winning races and championships, not becoming a role model for virtue, morality and righteousness.

Max has said in an interview in Bahrain that he is paid to do his job, and his job is winning the race and championship.
Besides Max also knows about Jos's history of assault against his mother, so in my view, he will be the last person in RBR who will pick sides.

My only concern for Max is the media attention on this dad's past involving aggression against women. So for the sake of Max's career, I think Jos should back off.

[Watto]

Neither Max or Perez will leave RBR due to CH, as F1 drivers they are not in control or responsible for other people's private lives and their job is winning races and championships, not becoming a role model for virtue, morality and righteousness.

Max has said in an interview in Bahrain that he is paid to do his job, and his job is winning the race and championship.
Besides Max also knows about Jos's history of assault against his mother, so in my view, he will be the last person in RBR who will pick sides.

My only concern for Max is the media attention on this dad's past involving aggression against women. So for the sake of Max's career, I think Jos should back off.

Don't know it would be that easily said/done - and thats not saying Max condones the behavior just Jos played a big role in his early driving etc,

Jelena Dokic a former Australian/Serbian tennis player pretty much did as he father/coach (Damir) did in her career and he had a pretty poor reputation abused officials at an event , eventually had her switch allegences from Australia to Serbia. Came out in an interview a few years ago talking about how he was abusing to her. Took her a while to escape .
Not saying Jos does the same to Max, but his past, attaching the team for a poor strategy for Max etc. He may well just go along with what Jos says not wanting conflict. Too many unknowsn

I doubt he leaves to a team where he isn't in a position he can win a WDC. But don't think anyone outside Max knows.

[CHT]

Neither Max or Perez will leave RBR due to CH, as F1 drivers they are not in control or responsible for other people's private lives and their job is winning races and championships, not becoming a role model for virtue, morality and righteousness.

Max has said in an interview in Bahrain that he is paid to do his job, and his job is winning the race and championship.
Besides Max also knows about Jos's history of assault against his mother, so in my view, he will be the last person in RBR who will pick sides.

My only concern for Max is the media attention on this dad's past involving aggression against women. So for the sake of Max's career, I think Jos should back off.

Don't know it would be that easily said/done - and thats not saying Max condones the behavior just Jos played a big role in his early driving etc,

Jelena Dokic a former Australian/Serbian tennis player pretty much did as he father/coach (Damir) did in her career and he had a pretty poor reputation abused officials at an event , eventually had her switch allegences from Australia to Serbia. Came out in an interview a few years ago talking about how he was abusing to her. Took her a while to escape .
Not saying Jos does the same to Max, but his past, attaching the team for a poor strategy for Max etc. He may well just go along with what Jos says not wanting conflict. Too many unknowsn

I doubt he leaves to a team where he isn't in a position he can win a WDC. But don't think anyone outside Max knows.

Not a fair comparison, because tennis is an individual sport, they don't require a team to provide them with the equipment to compete or win the championship. What is important for them is perhaps a good trainer and manager to deal with tours and sponsorship. As for Max, he is not directly involved in the scandal, so he can't be personally affected by what CH does in his private live

For F1 drivers, it is all about driving for the right team at the right time, and being a 3xWDC the only prize left for Max is the next WDC.

[Watto]

Neither Max or Perez will leave RBR due to CH, as F1 drivers they are not in control or responsible for other people's private lives and their job is winning races and championships, not becoming a role model for virtue, morality and righteousness.

Max has said in an interview in Bahrain that he is paid to do his job, and his job is winning the race and championship.
Besides Max also knows about Jos's history of assault against his mother, so in my view, he will be the last person in RBR who will pick sides.

My only concern for Max is the media attention on this dad's past involving aggression against women. So for the sake of Max's career, I think Jos should back off.

Don't know it would be that easily said/done - and thats not saying Max condones the behavior just Jos played a big role in his early driving etc,

Jelena Dokic a former Australian/Serbian tennis player pretty much did as he father/coach (Damir) did in her career and he had a pretty poor reputation abused officials at an event , eventually had her switch allegences from Australia to Serbia. Came out in an interview a few years ago talking about how he was abusing to her. Took her a while to escape .
Not saying Jos does the same to Max, but his past, attaching the team for a poor strategy for Max etc. He may well just go along with what Jos says not wanting conflict. Too many unknowsn

I doubt he leaves to a team where he isn't in a position he can win a WDC. But don't think anyone outside Max knows.

Not a fair comparison, because tennis is an individual sport, they don't require a team to provide them with the equipment to compete or win the championship. What is important for them is perhaps a good trainer and manager to deal with tours and sponsorship. As for Max, he is not directly involve in the scandal, so he cant be personally affected by what CH does in his private time.

For F1 drivers, it is all about driving for the right team at the right time, and being a 3xWDC the only prize left for Max is the next WDC.

I agree there enough and why I doubt Max leaves while RBR are dominating just completely dismissing the idea without really knowing the dymanic behind Max and Jos etc won't leave is fraught with danger.

[CHT]

Don't know it would be that easily said/done - and thats not saying Max condones the behavior just Jos played a big role in his early driving etc,

Jelena Dokic a former Australian/Serbian tennis player pretty much did as he father/coach (Damir) did in her career and he had a pretty poor reputation abused officials at an event , eventually had her switch allegences from Australia to Serbia. Came out in an interview a few years ago talking about how he was abusing to her. Took her a while to escape .
Not saying Jos does the same to Max, but his past, attaching the team for a poor strategy for Max etc. He may well just go along with what Jos says not wanting conflict. Too many unknowsn

I doubt he leaves to a team where he isn't in a position he can win a WDC. But don't think anyone outside Max knows.

Not a fair comparison, because tennis is an individual sport, they don't require a team to provide them with the equipment to compete or win the championship. What is important for them is perhaps a good trainer and manager to deal with tours and sponsorship. As for Max, he is not directly involve in the scandal, so he cant be personally affected by what CH does in his private time.

For F1 drivers, it is all about driving for the right team at the right time, and being a 3xWDC the only prize left for Max is the next WDC.

I agree there enough and why I doubt Max leaves while RBR are dominating just completely dismissing the idea without really knowing the dymanic behind Max and Jos etc won't leave is fraught with danger.

If Max is to leave a winning team like RBR because of what CH did, how certain is Max or Jos that the guys over at Merc, Mclaren or Ferrari are scandal-free?

Unless another team can provide Max with the championship-winning car, I think the chance of Max leaving RBR now will be as slim as Yuki moving to Merc

[Watto]

Not a fair comparison, because tennis is an individual sport, they don't require a team to provide them with the equipment to compete or win the championship. What is important for them is perhaps a good trainer and manager to deal with tours and sponsorship. As for Max, he is not directly involve in the scandal, so he cant be personally affected by what CH does in his private time.

For F1 drivers, it is all about driving for the right team at the right time, and being a 3xWDC the only prize left for Max is the next WDC.

I agree there enough and why I doubt Max leaves while RBR are dominating just completely dismissing the idea without really knowing the dymanic behind Max and Jos etc won't leave is fraught with danger.

If Max is to leave a winning team like RBR because of what CH did, how certain is Max or Jos that the guys over at Merc, Mclaren or Ferrari are scandal-free?

Unless another team can provide Max with the championship-winning car, I think the chance of Max leaving RBR now will be as slim as Yuki moving to Merc

As some have pointed out perhaps there are concerns over just how well RBPT goes building an engine from scratch for the experienced engine builders with the similarities to current engines like Mercedes etc that won't be an issue. RBPT - though even with the experenced people they have would be a questioin mark.

Anyway my point in this with a domineering father as Jos is it wouldn't be too far fetched to say someone in Max's position may just follow the advise of his father despite issues it would not be the first time its happened (which is why I pointed to the Dokic reference of a controlling at times abusing parent that helped in their early development , maybe Max doesn't know how to say no to him.


I'm very very doubtful Max leaves wile RBR are dominating the sport, but if he becomes unhappy with the team or Horner its not really a streach to say be may look at it - it my the end of the year Mercedes are starting to really push BRB etc,

You can never guarantee another team will be scandal free obviously but it doesn't always come into peoples minds if they aren't happy where they are - *IF* Max is unhappy or the Jos influence