Schumi comes back

[adam2007]

plus it was never proved that benetton used it so its just speculation

Put on your crimson glasses and plug your ears, you won't like what I say next.


The 1994 Benetton car driven by Michael Schumacher was VERY illegal. It's a shame that such a talented driver was caught up in this, but Benetton cheated all year. Refuelling rigs, traction control, and a lot more. Bloody shame, since Schumacher was the best driver in 1994.

yeah the refueling rig they didnt have the filter in was a mistake by the suppliers. and they didnt use tc as is was banned it was just schumacher brillant throttle control.

[siskue2005]

I know that MS raced without TC in the past, but in a modern car?

Was the TC outlawed on 2007, right after he retired?

To be blinding fast in a TC car, and then going to a non TC, even for MS, could be a bit of a challenge at first speed-wise.

he had not driven TC cars until 2001 when it was made legal
till then has plenty and plenty of experience without TC
the gap between him and the next best driver became closer as soon as the TC was introduced....look how close RB got to MS in 2001, 2002 compared to 2000.
its the throttle control for which MS is famous for.

Massa had never driven an F1 Car without TC until 2008

Haha... that hilarious... everyone knows about the illegal TC on the Benettons

Haha... that hilarious..., i in your little world everyone believes that

but in real world people know what really happened
If they had TC why did MS loose his first place to the Ferrari's on the restart of imola 94 due to wheelspin...there are alot of similar examples during that year

it was just Senna, whining and finding excuses after loosing to MS in the first 3 races

i beleive TC was allowed before 94 [correct me if i am wrong]
and the Bennettons didnot have them at all...and they also didnot have that active suspension gizmo too.
it was Williams, Mcca and Ferrari who had all the gizmos back then.

i remember the race in 92 spa, were MS won that race in rain against cars with active suspension gizmo and TC....Thats how good he is.

[Miguel]

Not one... not one single person... has come out since 1994 and said "yeah, we cheated".

Benneton pleaded guilty in the WMSC in Paris when they were judged of tampering their fuel rigs. That's enough "we cheated" for me. Funnily enough, Benneton didn't get any penalty for this.

1. That is cheated all year?

2. That offered them a significant advantage?


I would equate that with the farcial argument over the Michelin tyres in 2003.

I was just being pedantic, Kilcoo. You said that no one admitted having cheated, while in fact they pleaded guilty in the fuel rig case. I'm not saying they cheated all year (in my opinion they did), and I don't know how much of an advantage it meant.

[RacingManiac]

pretty sure from 1992 on the Bennetton has active suspension and TC as the rest of the field....the point of contention in 1994 was that Bennetton in 1994, after TC was banned, still has the code written in their ECU. Benetton's argument was that they disabled the functionality so that they don't have to do a ground up re-program of the car's electronic. The legal proceeding cannot prove that they used the TC and that was that. 1995 would be different since the team had switch to Renault from the Ford.

[siskue2005]

plus it was never proved that benetton used it so its just speculation

Put on your crimson glasses and plug your ears, you won't like what I say next.


The 1994 Benetton car driven by Michael Schumacher was VERY illegal. It's a shame that such a talented driver was caught up in this, but Benetton cheated all year. Refuelling rigs, traction control, and a lot more. Bloody shame, since Schumacher was the best driver in 1994.

DaveKillens and ISLAM. what more can we expect from you two :^o

refuelling rigs -- it was some juniour staff who removed some filter without any authorization from above......and they agreed it was a mistake...back then it was the first season with re fuelling so it was a mistake from the supplier

get a grip...there was no f%#@king TC in that car.

and what are the 'a lot more' things which you didnt mention?

[andartop]

Besides...Michael Schumacher doesn't need TC, he is THE STIG!!!

(At least I'm glad people are not blaming Ferrari for making a secret deal with Benetton and the FIA and allowing them to win 2 Championships in exchange for Schumi's services!)

[adam2007]

brillant throttle control.

Oh man, that qualifies as the funniest thing I have seen all week. Thank you adam, you put a huge smile on my face and put a bounce in my step.
brilliant throttle control, I can't take it... roflmao

lol

[blobslosak]

Opinions on throttle control after watching this please.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtaV_cOGgTM[/youtube]

[James]

you can't be that good in the rain without being pretty brillant on the old go pedal i'd say

[James]

Opinions on throttle control after watching this please.

yep!..........brillant

[adam2007]

brillant throttle control.

Oh man, that qualifies as the funniest thing I have seen all week. Thank you adam, you put a huge smile on my face and put a bounce in my step.
brilliant throttle control, I can't take it... roflmao

lol

told you his has good throttle control (Y)

[siskue2005]

brillant throttle control.

Oh man, that qualifies as the funniest thing I have seen all week. Thank you adam, you put a huge smile on my face and put a bounce in my step.
brilliant throttle control, I can't take it... roflmao

did you really watch those old races?

see this video
Surely Damon knows more....

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtaV_cOGgTM[/youtube]

[siskue2005]

pretty sure from 1992 on the Bennetton has active suspension and TC as the rest of the field....the point of contention in 1994 was that Bennetton in 1994, after TC was banned, still has the code written in their ECU. Benetton's argument was that they disabled the functionality so that they don't have to do a ground up re-program of the car's electronic. The legal proceeding cannot prove that they used the TC and that was that. 1995 would be different since the team had switch to Renault from the Ford.

AFAIK....i heard one comment by Martin Brundle that they didnot have active suspension/TC in 1992 and how they didnot have money to develop those things
he was saying that in some race were he was commentating

[timbo]

AFAIK....i heard one comment by Martin Brundle that they didnot have active suspension/TC in 1992 and how they didnot have money to develop those things
he was saying that in some race were he was commentating

They had sorted out electronics somewhere mid-1993.
However his 3rd place in 1992 championship is brilliant - compared with Williams, McLaren and Ferrari his car was really basic - he had manual gear shift whole season.

[WhiteBlue]

This arguing of cars having TC or not is completely irrelevant. The discussion was the same in 2008 when TC was banned. People were saying that Michael would roll that car if he ever drove it. Heap of bull manure. He came out to Spain one day in winter and was fastest driver on track. The test drivers, Kimi and Massa wre not as fast with that car. He was drafted in by Ferrari to do the first evaluation. Do you think Ferrari would do that if they were not convinced that Michael was their best non TC driver to develop that car?