Dallara F2 2024 FIA Formula 2 2024-2026 all-new car discussion

[AR3-GP]

The rear wing looks bad.

[PINUZ]

Some points for this thread:

.Unfortunately all lower or feeder series became one make after Ecclestone introduction of F3000 (1985) with Lola. Later Renault followed when bringing in the first one make FR2.0 built by Tatuus. The rest is recent history. In principle the idea could be good to let costs stay low in reality exactly as it happens with food the multiplication of passages between manufacturer and teams lets costs stay even higher than in a multi manufacturer scenario. The only the actual situation created a clear path for drivers to TRY and reach F1.
. FIA is imposing F1 safety standards step by step to all single seater: this is correct on one side seeing the recent unfortunate accident but IMO it is on one side excessive since the speeds are clearly lower; and in second line the system of building heavier and heavier cars is not the way to go since they carry bigger and bigger energies able to brake down barriers and other cars. But this remains just my opinion.
.About fun in wathing F2 what should be considered is that we speak about short races and one of them is without pit stop what happens in Qualifying practice is naturally replicated in the race therefore less fights. In the end if one goes lower in the path i.e. to F4 where there is no downforce and tyres with no management needs you see more duels and classifications changes going to F1 you get similar to F1...
.Actual car is keeping a lot of the previous components, there was a change in gearbox casing an obviously chassis and aero to become actual, the weird wing was done to make DRS more powerful: let's see if the show improves...

[Seanspeed]

Seems so far, the car seems to be doing its job. Lots of very close racing, also helped by the LONG needed demand that drivers give space on the outside now. Still, if a car had pace, it had a chance, which is all that we want.

Reliability was ok. Not perfect, but GP2/F2 usually fares worse than this for a brand new car debut.

[Waz]

Dallara always find a way to make the F2 look a little awkward. Considering they don't need to chase performance, they have the freedom to create something more aesthetically pleasing.

And if FIA treated F2 like FIM treats Moto2, as a proper world championship and a destination series, it would become much more popular. F2 lacks the stars and not allowing the Champion to defend their title was quite a mistake.

At least let them defend it until beaten or moved on to F1. Then we'd have fewer drivers sitting on the sidelines waiting for an F1 seat for 2 or 3 years.

It's not easy following a series with new drivers constantly.

[CaribouBread]

Dallara always find a way to make the F2 look a little awkward. Considering they don't need to chase performance, they have the freedom to create something more aesthetically pleasing.

And if FIA treated F2 like FIM treats Moto2, as a proper world championship and a destination series, it would become much more popular. F2 lacks the stars and not allowing the Champion to defend their title was quite a mistake.

At least let them defend it until beaten or moved on to F1. Then we'd have fewer drivers sitting on the sidelines waiting for an F1 seat for 2 or 3 years.

It's not easy following a series with new drivers constantly.

I've always thought there would be no need for Sprints for the F1 cars if they just market the F2 support races as a part of the main GP weekend when possible. Say you're looking at the future of F1 or whatever else they want. There's good action, the racing is good, the drivers are almost always exciting to watch, the schedule is tried and tested, there's action all through the weekend. It would bring more eyes and money to the category and possibly subsidize the costs for up-and-coming drivers.
It would be better for F2 and it would satisfy Liberty's "racing action every day" philosophy.

[maxxer]

Dallara always find a way to make the F2 look a little awkward. Considering they don't need to chase performance, they have the freedom to create something more aesthetically pleasing.

And if FIA treated F2 like FIM treats Moto2, as a proper world championship and a destination series, it would become much more popular. F2 lacks the stars and not allowing the Champion to defend their title was quite a mistake.

At least let them defend it until beaten or moved on to F1. Then we'd have fewer drivers sitting on the sidelines waiting for an F1 seat for 2 or 3 years.

It's not easy following a series with new drivers constantly.

I've always thought there would be no need for Sprints for the F1 cars if they just market the F2 support races as a part of the main GP weekend when possible. Say you're looking at the future of F1 or whatever else they want. There's good action, the racing is good, the drivers are almost always exciting to watch, the schedule is tried and tested, there's action all through the weekend. It would bring more eyes and money to the category and possibly subsidize the costs for up-and-coming drivers.
It would be better for F2 and it would satisfy Liberty's "racing action every day" philosophy.

Think they are messing with the F1 sprint format again this year? Dont know even what it is anymore.
Next year will be arrive on friday and not allowed to do setup practice at all anymore

[JordanMugen]

Another engine failure in Austria.

Why is the Mecachrome engine so unreliable? It doesn't even go past 9000rpm, is it really so high-stressed and on the limit (600-700hp from 3.4L doesn't seem that high)?!

Given this, the decision not to return to the more durable V8 engine for the 2024 car is inexplicable IMO.

[Zynerji]

Meh. 2008 McL is just the best looking, small car of all time IMHO. And if they upgraded to add a halo, sis, and just some edge skirts on the floor to give a df boost it would be sweet af.

And I recommend watching a vid on those Hayabusa V8s. They seem almost tailor made for a formula car like these. And 500hp in a 650kg car would lead to some fabulous racing.

The current F2 engine already puts out over 620hp and much more torque than that busa v8(which would require more fuel to make less power)

Turbo ALWAYS beats N/a.

So turbocharge the Busa V8 and get to 800hp?

[Hoffman900]

No. They would never survive

Those engines are cool, but they’re nowhere near enough powerful for F2.

They need to be in something the size of like a Formula Atlantic / F3 car.

[JordanMugen]

Could a new aerokit be brought to the Dallara for 2025 to increase downforce levels and make the F2 car more representative of Formula 1?

There are many murmurs of F2 not being relevant enough to F1 at the moment!

[continuum16]

Could a new aerokit be brought to the Dallara for 2025 to increase downforce levels and make the F2 car more representative of Formula 1?

There are many murmurs of F2 not being relevant enough to F1 at the moment!

I would agree that it's not representative but I'm not sure what the solution is. It seems that the F2 car requires a really unnatural/different driving style compared to F1 and even F3. I know Bearman talked about it a little bit on the Beyond the Grid interview he did.

Definitely there needs to be some better quality control because I definitely get the impression that even by awful modern F2 standards there seems to be wild variations between cars.

To me it seems so odd that there is seemingly almost no testing of these cars before they are introduced. It's like the first time it gets driven is in the end-of-year shakedown or something, which is frankly ridiculous for what is supposed to be the second-most-prestigious open-wheel championship. Surely they can find ex-F2 or even ex-F1 drivers to drive it and give feedback on things like balance. I mean, get someone like Schwartzman or Sirotkin or Drugovich or whoever else to drive it for a while and try out an array of options rather than just rolling it out and then finding out if it works in real time as they seem to do.

[JordanMugen]

I would agree that it's not representative but I'm not sure what the solution is.

Dallara builds the Super Formula car. Make the F2 car similar to that: such an easy solution!

Get rid of the Mecachrome for a compact and lighter inline-four like Super Formula (or other smaller and lighter yet powerful engine), increase downforce like Super Fomrula, add power steering -- easy.

[Farnborough]

The plan is, to make F1 like this for both class and car balance in 2026 season

There appears to be just more and more "designed in solutions" for basic racing "problems" directed by whomsoever is perceiving those problems, that the whole of racing series slowly becomes sclerotic to the point of killing itself.

So many competing influences, making ultimate outcomes dubious.

The old saying of "a camel is a horse designed by committee " springs to mind.