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Better like this, than this to create a stir inside of the organization which will lead to conflict or uninspired/demoted people.
They had an idea
Fair, but you can't ignore the fact that Ferrari made massive gains after changing away from his concept. I'm not saying he is bad, just that, maybe, he is not what we were hoping he is. Perhaps that is why some responsibilities were not given to him by Stella, since Sanchez was hired before Stella became principal(?).Emag wrote: ↑02 Apr 2024, 13:57Just like you should not appoint one team's success to a single person, the same should be said about failures as well. It is true, Ferrari has had periods of struggle while he occupied a high-level role. But we can't forget that he was on that same role when the SF70H and F1-75 were conceived. Both of which were the first cars of their respective ruleset and were great performing cars with weaknesses which were not directly tied to their fundamental design.
The SF70H had a clear power deficit compared to the leading Mercedes of that year, and the F1-75 was crippled by an in-season regulation change.
My point here being, no matter what his role might have been in Ferrari's struggles, he would have definitely been a great asset to have for the new regulations in 2026.
This is why I was not convinced with his signing.
It doesn't matter. It is important that the team works effectively. If, as the season progresses, the team introduces several big updates that allow the team to achieve podium finishes in all conditions on all tracks, everyone on the forum will quickly forget that Sanchez is no longer on the team.Balalu wrote: ↑02 Apr 2024, 16:38Fair, but you can't ignore the fact that Ferrari made massive gains after changing away from his concept. I'm not saying he is bad, just that, maybe, he is not what we were hoping he is. Perhaps that is why some responsibilities were not given to him by Stella, since Sanchez was hired before Stella became principal(?).Emag wrote: ↑02 Apr 2024, 13:57Just like you should not appoint one team's success to a single person, the same should be said about failures as well. It is true, Ferrari has had periods of struggle while he occupied a high-level role. But we can't forget that he was on that same role when the SF70H and F1-75 were conceived. Both of which were the first cars of their respective ruleset and were great performing cars with weaknesses which were not directly tied to their fundamental design.
The SF70H had a clear power deficit compared to the leading Mercedes of that year, and the F1-75 was crippled by an in-season regulation change.
My point here being, no matter what his role might have been in Ferrari's struggles, he would have definitely been a great asset to have for the new regulations in 2026.
If the SF23 had the problem of a chronically weak front end, so much so as to force the technicians to limit the load to the rear axle, the SF24 presents the opposite characteristic, with a particularly solid front end of the car even compared to the Red Bull. “Tomorrow will be tough with Ferrari, we know that they have a very strong front end which is very useful here” said Sergio Perez on the eve of the Australian race, confirming the impressions we had had from the data. The new suspension layout combined with aerodynamics that move the center of pressure decidedly further forward, have transformed the weak point of the previous car into what is for now an absolute strong point, and which brings with it a large number of benefits, such as stability during braking and insertion and the high energy of the flows, which allow the single-seater to be decidedly less sensitive to external factors, such as bumps in the road surface and wind.LionsHeart wrote: ↑02 Apr 2024, 20:27I looked carefully at the race onboard for Oscar, Lando, Charles and Carlos. I noticed a peculiarity of the cars. The start of the braking point for Turns 3 and 11 is very different for Ferrari and McLaren. The braking point is difficult to determine in turn 3, because there is always a shadow from the trees, but with turn 11 everything is clearly visible.
So, Ferrari cars brake at 80..75 meters before turn 11, McLaren cars brake at 110..100 meters before turn 11. I don't understand how this works. Is this related to the efficiency of the braking system, the pressure in the brake line, the size of the brake air ducts, but for now I conclude that Ferrari allows you to brake later and take more speed into the turn, while getting to the apex. McLaren, in turn, has a longer braking distance, also hits the apex, but in this case it puts less load on the braking system.
This observation was made during the second stint, when everyone was driving on hard tires from lap 20 to lap 30. Those with direct access to telemetry can see everything for themselves and perhaps even see what speed Ferrari and McLaren have before the braking phase begins. One thing I can say for sure is that the Ferrari slows down more intensely and does not experience problems with the brakes. On the other hand, why doesn't McLaren do the same? Lack of downforce? Less operating pressure in the brake line?
Yes, I can only confirm this. This is clearly visible on the onboard. The Ferrari is extremely strong on corner entry, although at the cost of worse corner exit. Charles's racing engineer even asked him to enter turns 6 and 9 more calmly and carefully so as not to lose any further at the exit of turns 6 and 10. This was also clearly visible on the onboard during the race.DoctorRadio wrote: ↑02 Apr 2024, 20:45If the SF23 had the problem of a chronically weak front end, so much so as to force the technicians to limit the load to the rear axle, the SF24 presents the opposite characteristic, with a particularly solid front end of the car even compared to the Red Bull. “Tomorrow will be tough with Ferrari, we know that they have a very strong front end which is very useful here” said Sergio Perez on the eve of the Australian race, confirming the impressions we had had from the data. The new suspension layout combined with aerodynamics that move the center of pressure decidedly further forward, have transformed the weak point of the previous car into what is for now an absolute strong point, and which brings with it a large number of benefits, such as stability during braking and insertion and the high energy of the flows, which allow the single-seater to be decidedly less sensitive to external factors, such as bumps in the road surface and wind.LionsHeart wrote: ↑02 Apr 2024, 20:27I looked carefully at the race onboard for Oscar, Lando, Charles and Carlos. I noticed a peculiarity of the cars. The start of the braking point for Turns 3 and 11 is very different for Ferrari and McLaren. The braking point is difficult to determine in turn 3, because there is always a shadow from the trees, but with turn 11 everything is clearly visible.
So, Ferrari cars brake at 80..75 meters before turn 11, McLaren cars brake at 110..100 meters before turn 11. I don't understand how this works. Is this related to the efficiency of the braking system, the pressure in the brake line, the size of the brake air ducts, but for now I conclude that Ferrari allows you to brake later and take more speed into the turn, while getting to the apex. McLaren, in turn, has a longer braking distance, also hits the apex, but in this case it puts less load on the braking system.
This observation was made during the second stint, when everyone was driving on hard tires from lap 20 to lap 30. Those with direct access to telemetry can see everything for themselves and perhaps even see what speed Ferrari and McLaren have before the braking phase begins. One thing I can say for sure is that the Ferrari slows down more intensely and does not experience problems with the brakes. On the other hand, why doesn't McLaren do the same? Lack of downforce? Less operating pressure in the brake line?
(from https://www.formulapassion.it/f1/f1-ana ... co-redbull)
Ferrari has a very strong front end, possibly the strongest, that helps in braking and corner entry.
Signed up before the SF-23 hit the track. McLaren made incredible progress last year, and it was probably recognized before year end that they would prefer to keep the structure intact going forward.
organic wrote: ↑02 Apr 2024, 12:34Very strange indeed. All of the statements just use corporate speak. Hopefully we'll discover nuggets of the truth over time
Formu1a Uno who may still have contacts close to Sanchez seem to be suggesting the decision was made more from Sanchez's side, being unhappy with the position
I'm puzzled by the contradiction of McLaren's performance gain at Australia relative to Ferrari. We can't lay claim to having a RedBull-like front end yet here is Checo saying Ferrari do and more so. Where were our gains found at Australia (relative to the two front runners)?DoctorRadio wrote: ↑02 Apr 2024, 20:45If the SF23 had the problem of a chronically weak front end, so much so as to force the technicians to limit the load to the rear axle, the SF24 presents the opposite characteristic, with a particularly solid front end of the car even compared to the Red Bull. “Tomorrow will be tough with Ferrari, we know that they have a very strong front end which is very useful here” said Sergio Perez on the eve of the Australian race, confirming the impressions we had had from the data. The new suspension layout combined with aerodynamics that move the center of pressure decidedly further forward, have transformed the weak point of the previous car into what is for now an absolute strong point, and which brings with it a large number of benefits, such as stability during braking and insertion and the high energy of the flows, which allow the single-seater to be decidedly less sensitive to external factors, such as bumps in the road surface and wind.LionsHeart wrote: ↑02 Apr 2024, 20:27I looked carefully at the race onboard for Oscar, Lando, Charles and Carlos. I noticed a peculiarity of the cars. The start of the braking point for Turns 3 and 11 is very different for Ferrari and McLaren. The braking point is difficult to determine in turn 3, because there is always a shadow from the trees, but with turn 11 everything is clearly visible.
(from https://www.formulapassion.it/f1/f1-ana ... co-redbull)
Ferrari has a very strong front end, possibly the strongest, that helps in braking and corner entry.
Well, generally speaking, it’s a good corners exit. The fastest car is in the second sector, where there are a couple of fast turns and a winding high-speed sector that can be called straight. Good and stable balance, with the exception of a few flying errors from Lando and Oscar. But everyone makes such mistakes, so usually such things are not taken into account.BMMR61 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2024, 02:45I'm puzzled by the contradiction of McLaren's performance gain at Australia relative to Ferrari. We can't lay claim to having a RedBull-like front end yet here is Checo saying Ferrari do and more so. Where were our gains found at Australia (relative to the two front runners)?DoctorRadio wrote: ↑02 Apr 2024, 20:45If the SF23 had the problem of a chronically weak front end, so much so as to force the technicians to limit the load to the rear axle, the SF24 presents the opposite characteristic, with a particularly solid front end of the car even compared to the Red Bull. “Tomorrow will be tough with Ferrari, we know that they have a very strong front end which is very useful here” said Sergio Perez on the eve of the Australian race, confirming the impressions we had had from the data. The new suspension layout combined with aerodynamics that move the center of pressure decidedly further forward, have transformed the weak point of the previous car into what is for now an absolute strong point, and which brings with it a large number of benefits, such as stability during braking and insertion and the high energy of the flows, which allow the single-seater to be decidedly less sensitive to external factors, such as bumps in the road surface and wind.LionsHeart wrote: ↑02 Apr 2024, 20:27I looked carefully at the race onboard for Oscar, Lando, Charles and Carlos. I noticed a peculiarity of the cars. The start of the braking point for Turns 3 and 11 is very different for Ferrari and McLaren. The braking point is difficult to determine in turn 3, because there is always a shadow from the trees, but with turn 11 everything is clearly visible.
(from https://www.formulapassion.it/f1/f1-ana ... co-redbull)
Ferrari has a very strong front end, possibly the strongest, that helps in braking and corner entry.
Braking performance is not just about brakes, aero and especially suspension also play their part. Braking causes massive weight transfer to the front of course, so stable aero with good CoP transfer to the front will enhance the grip and allow better braking. Likewise, suspension also needs to be well aligned with aero grip for optimal braking performance. Finally, what makes suspension more important is the feel for the drivers, eg. too much anti-dive and driver has absolutely no feel what the car does while braking.LionsHeart wrote: ↑02 Apr 2024, 20:27So, Ferrari cars brake at 80..75 meters before turn 11, McLaren cars brake at 110..100 meters before turn 11. I don't understand how this works. Is this related to the efficiency of the braking system, the pressure in the brake line, the size of the brake air ducts, but for now I conclude that Ferrari allows you to brake later and take more speed into the turn, while getting to the apex
Arguably, McLaren was already a lot closer already in Jeddah. In Bahrain Piastri was 30s behind front-running Ferrari, while in Jeddah the gap was down to 13s. Norris' had a compromised strategy in Jeddah, so I'm comparing those two races with Piastri. In my view it's down to the new rear wing, it's a really good low-drag wing in the race.BMMR61 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2024, 02:45I'm puzzled by the contradiction of McLaren's performance gain at Australia relative to Ferrari. We can't lay claim to having a RedBull-like front end yet here is Checo saying Ferrari do and more so. Where were our gains found at Australia (relative to the two front runners)?