2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[yooogurt]

well I guess it's more about budget cap?

Im pretty sure Cardile is one of the three specialists being paid out of budget.

[Xyz22]

With Newey Fallows was looking like a genius. Without him is close to be fired.

Newey is the GOAT.

[Venturiation]

TECHNICAL DIRECTOR CARDILE HAS DECIDED TO ACCELERATE DEVELOPMENT IN MARANELLO: A NEW FLOOR AND OTHER SMALL UPDATES WILL ARRIVE IN BARCELONA
After approving the first block of updates for Imola, Enrico Cardile’s engineers immediately focused on the second evolutionary step

The plans at Maranello were to introduce the second major package at Silverstone, with the aim of increasing the overall load and improving the SF-24’s overall aerodynamic balance.

https://formu1a.uno/en/exclusive-ferrar ... -upgrades/

Why did he do this of he was going to leave? Alot of budget wasted now

[dia6olo]

Leclerc wasn't on the podium because he had a bad qualifying. For his reputation, he only finished 0.005s ahead of Sainz (Leclerc mistake in T5). Considering that Leclerc is very highly regarded as a qualifier, the gap and mistake suggest a clear underperformance. The margin to P3 was only 0.03s so a simple 1 tenth more than Sainz would have put Leclerc in P3, and the podium.

Going on about Sainz is just avoiding this fact. Leclerc was never beating Hamilton after starting behind him. Hamilton/Russell made the difference on Saturday for the final place on the podium. Leclerc can look to his qualy performance, not Sainz, for his answers. This is exactly what Fred Vasseur also stated.

Leclerc would have struggled to keep Merc behind in the first stint even if he had qualified P3. And then he'd likely have gotten a different strategy, perhaps having to pit earlier to cover a Merc(or two) trying to undercut him, and perhaps Ferrari sticks him on Hards at the end not realizing how bad of a race tire it really was, leading him to be vulnerable if he was even still ahead of a Merc by then.

Leclerc was reasonably competitive with Mercedes on Sunday, but the Merc still overall seems to be a better car now.

And calling Leclerc's qualifying 'bad' even after outqualifying Sainz is too much. Like, Sainz isn't a slow driver, especially in qualifying. And the 'mistake' being talked about was super minor.

Leclerc is the least of Ferrari's issues right now. Pointing fingers at him is just crazy.

I don't think he would have, Russell yes because he's another Sainz and only sees short term gains, Hamilton on the other hand is one that also sees the bigger picture and would have likely started more sensibly in terms of bringing in the tyres, Leclerc would have had every chance of staying ahead of at least Hamilton and they would have both got Russell eventually.

I personally agree with some of the views that while Ferrari were not great, Leclerc was a decent bit quicker than the Mercedes's and but for starting behind them and having to deal with Sainz would have finished a decent chunk ahead of them.

I'm not so sure what to think of the Cardile to AM news, I thought all things considered he had done an excellent job, however I was thinking that 2/3 races ago and have to say that his stock has declined a little in my mind since then.
That said, it's not the first time Ferrari have maybe pointed the finger and let VERY good people go, Costa, Stella...

[Xyz22]

Leclerc wasn't on the podium because he had a bad qualifying. For his reputation, he only finished 0.005s ahead of Sainz (Leclerc mistake in T5). Considering that Leclerc is very highly regarded as a qualifier, the gap and mistake suggest a clear underperformance. The margin to P3 was only 0.03s so a simple 1 tenth more than Sainz would have put Leclerc in P3, and the podium.

Going on about Sainz is just avoiding this fact. Leclerc was never beating Hamilton after starting behind him. Hamilton/Russell made the difference on Saturday for the final place on the podium. Leclerc can look to his qualy performance, not Sainz, for his answers. This is exactly what Fred Vasseur also stated.

Leclerc would have struggled to keep Merc behind in the first stint even if he had qualified P3. And then he'd likely have gotten a different strategy, perhaps having to pit earlier to cover a Merc(or two) trying to undercut him, and perhaps Ferrari sticks him on Hards at the end not realizing how bad of a race tire it really was, leading him to be vulnerable if he was even still ahead of a Merc by then.

Leclerc was reasonably competitive with Mercedes on Sunday, but the Merc still overall seems to be a better car now.

And calling Leclerc's qualifying 'bad' even after outqualifying Sainz is too much. Like, Sainz isn't a slow driver, especially in qualifying. And the 'mistake' being talked about was super minor.

Leclerc is the least of Ferrari's issues right now. Pointing fingers at him is just crazy.

I don't think he would have, Russell yes because he's another Sainz and only sees short term gains, Hamilton on the other hand is one that also sees the bigger picture and would have likely started more sensibly in terms of bringing in the tyres, Leclerc would have had every chance of staying ahead of at least Hamilton and they would have both got Russell eventually.

I personally agree with some of the views that while Ferrari were not great, Leclerc was a decent bit quicker than the Mercedes's and but for starting behind them and having to deal with Sainz would have finished a decent chunk ahead of them.

I'm not so sure what to think of the Cardile to AM news, I thought all things considered he had done an excellent job, however I was thinking that 2/3 races ago and have to say that his stock has declined a little in my mind sice then.
That said, it's not the first time Ferrari have maybe pointed the finger and let VERY good people go, Costa, Stella...

Please don't compare Cardile to Costa. It's like comparing MSC to Mazzacane.

[Vanja #66]

Hard to believe Elkann cant pay at least the same amount, maybe its because Binotto is also moving to Aston and he talked Cardile into it?

Like I said, if the rumour is true I don't have a clue what Cardille's reasoning is. Binotto's a CEO of an Italian e-powertrain and electronics company, he's no longer on anyone's radar with how things are going in Ferrari after he left.

I don't really care about Cardile. He isn't bad, but nothing special either.

He's done well so far, but was clearly too conservative with tyres and suspension this year. They had their deg in check since Canada last year. They didn't understand their tyres fully and still made wrong choices (Silverstone was soon after Canada) during races, but deg wasn't a big issue since Barcelona and Canada races. On one hand it's ok to go more towards the race, but on the other you can't underestimate the power of track position in the race and they had a prime example as early as Baku race last year

[KimiRai]

With Newey Fallows was looking like a genius. Without him is close to be fired.

Newey is the GOAT.

Indeed. May the best team win the fight for Newey's heart. If Aston doesn't make it then I'll be content seeing Ferrari win as a historic team after a long drought.

[dia6olo]

Leclerc would have struggled to keep Merc behind in the first stint even if he had qualified P3. And then he'd likely have gotten a different strategy, perhaps having to pit earlier to cover a Merc(or two) trying to undercut him, and perhaps Ferrari sticks him on Hards at the end not realizing how bad of a race tire it really was, leading him to be vulnerable if he was even still ahead of a Merc by then.

Leclerc was reasonably competitive with Mercedes on Sunday, but the Merc still overall seems to be a better car now.

And calling Leclerc's qualifying 'bad' even after outqualifying Sainz is too much. Like, Sainz isn't a slow driver, especially in qualifying. And the 'mistake' being talked about was super minor.

Leclerc is the least of Ferrari's issues right now. Pointing fingers at him is just crazy.

I don't think he would have, Russell yes because he's another Sainz and only sees short term gains, Hamilton on the other hand is one that also sees the bigger picture and would have likely started more sensibly in terms of bringing in the tyres, Leclerc would have had every chance of staying ahead of at least Hamilton and they would have both got Russell eventually.

I personally agree with some of the views that while Ferrari were not great, Leclerc was a decent bit quicker than the Mercedes's and but for starting behind them and having to deal with Sainz would have finished a decent chunk ahead of them.

I'm not so sure what to think of the Cardile to AM news, I thought all things considered he had done an excellent job, however I was thinking that 2/3 races ago and have to say that his stock has declined a little in my mind since then.
That said, it's not the first time Ferrari have maybe pointed the finger and let VERY good people go, Costa, Stella...

Please don't compare Cardile to Costa. It's like comparing MSC to Mazzacane.

I suspect people said the same things when Costa first left, no doubt when Stella first left as well...

[CouncilorIrissa]

I suspect people said the same things when Costa first left, no doubt when Stella first left as well...

Wasn't Costa fired after Barcelona 2011 (ironically)?



We're looking at yet another wet-weather masterclass, boys. Strap yourselves in.

[Sergej]

Cardile's departure is bad. Not much for the man himself, who is a good technician but maybe not so good going by the results of recent years, but this is again the same old story at Ferrari where top personnel rotate like hell and there is never stability on top technical and management side. Who will be the new TD ? Serra ? but he is not a technical director, plus he's joining only in October....who will lead the development of SF24 and the design of SF25 in these months, if Cardile leaves shortly ?

[DoctorRadio]

Cardile's departure is bad. Not much for the man himself, who is a good technician but maybe not so good going by the results of recent years, but this is again the same old story at Ferrari where top personnel rotate like hell and there is never stability on top technical and management side. Who will be the new TD ? Serra ? but he is not a technical director, plus he's joining only in October....who will lead the development of SF24 and the design of SF25 in these months, if Cardile leaves shortly ?

The project of the SF-25 is well underway and the developments of the SF-24 have been scheduled months ago; I think it’s Serra (Head of Chassis Performance Engineering and of various departments such as Track Engineering, Aero Development, Aero Operations and Vehicle Performance) and Gualtieri (Head of PU department) at the head of the 2026 project.
Newey would be the icing (and what an icing) on the cake.

[CaribouBread]

We're looking at yet another wet-weather masterclass, boys. Strap yourselves in.

I'm tired boss.

[wickedz50]

Little concerning with all the changes and the SF24 failing to deliver to expectations. I will still hold on to the real reason behind Lewis signing for this team for next year. There is something which he saw that convinced him that he can win his 8th Title with Ferrari. Either he made a blunder or Ferrari has big announcements coming up. Whether this will be a win or not only time will tell.

[Xyz22]

I don't think he would have, Russell yes because he's another Sainz and only sees short term gains, Hamilton on the other hand is one that also sees the bigger picture and would have likely started more sensibly in terms of bringing in the tyres, Leclerc would have had every chance of staying ahead of at least Hamilton and they would have both got Russell eventually.

I personally agree with some of the views that while Ferrari were not great, Leclerc was a decent bit quicker than the Mercedes's and but for starting behind them and having to deal with Sainz would have finished a decent chunk ahead of them.

I'm not so sure what to think of the Cardile to AM news, I thought all things considered he had done an excellent job, however I was thinking that 2/3 races ago and have to say that his stock has declined a little in my mind since then.
That said, it's not the first time Ferrari have maybe pointed the finger and let VERY good people go, Costa, Stella...

Please don't compare Cardile to Costa. It's like comparing MSC to Mazzacane.

I suspect people said the same things when Costa first left, no doubt when Stella first left as well...

No. Costa designed the F1 248, F 2007 and F 2008. He also made the F 10. All of these cars are better than whatever Cardile has done in his entire career.

Costa was fired because Montezemolo was an incompetent full of ego maniac. Costa said multiple times that Ferrari was lacking in wind tunnel and simulation technology compared to other teams who invested heavily in these areas. There was no correlation between the wind tunnel / sim and the track.

[Vanja #66]

No. Costa designed the F1 248, F 2007 and F 2008. He also made the F 10. All of these cars are better than whatever Cardile has done in his entire career.

He was also one of the key people behind Mercedes' winning cars of 2014-2018 (some would say even 2019 car), it was no surprise Brawn snatched Costa as soon as he could back in 2011