2024 Mclaren Formula 1 Team

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mwillems wrote:
29 Jun 2024, 18:49
LionsHeart wrote:
29 Jun 2024, 18:47
mwillems wrote:
29 Jun 2024, 18:44


I don't think so, if you compare SQ3 times to Q3 times, we've stood still. How does that make sense on a track that has just been rubbered in with a sprint race?

I suppose it could be temperatures and perhaps Zak was wrong to suggest that the car is agnostic with temps now.
The same can be said for sprint race. High temperatures could have a negative impact on grip.
Look at sprint Qualy to full Qualy, almost everyone gained a good chunk of time, except for us. So perhaps we just nailed the setup earlier and the sprint flattered us? Could be that, or a poor setup, or a race setup. But I think the prospects of winning look bleak. I'm sure we'll get something from the team to talk about it.
I think McLaren didn't improve because of the hotter conditions today. The temperature of the asphalt plays a big role, even if the surface is now covered with rubber.

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venkyhere wrote:
29 Jun 2024, 20:00
Luscion wrote:
29 Jun 2024, 19:21
What got his lap time deleted

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRQHIUEWAAE ... me=900x900
I dont know why people in this thread are doubting or why the protest fiasco by Mclaren is happening, if the excuse is "image is not conclusive". There might be other reasons why McLaren is protesting.

Because clearly, any human with IQ around 100 or any basic AI bot with image processing ability, should be able to spot that track limit is clearly breached.

https://i.imgur.com/ym80L0I.png
Because it has been well documented in many sports that judging curvature and line overhang from a distance and a sideways angle is patchy.

And apparently Stella and other leaders of Mclaren have an IQ of less than a hundred 🤣

If they doubt it then I feel fine about my thoughts too.
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I look at these three tables and come to the following conclusion:
McLaren's tyre wear is high. Not least because of the high temperatures. Tomorrow's main race should be a little easier. I think the team decided to add a little downforce to improve grip and reduce sliding. Compared to yesterday, both McLaren cars lost a little in top speed.
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Theres a even better shot of the one above showing Oscar further over the line.
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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Add me to the IQ of less than a hundred too! Strange though as even with my low IQ I can see many flaws in drawing a perfectly square yellow box on curved object, an angled photo with perspective not considered

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chrisc90 wrote:
29 Jun 2024, 20:21
Theres a even better shot of the one above showing Oscar further over the line.
That's what I want to see. My only question is if they have other angles because they shouldn't be judging from the ones we can see.
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mwillems wrote:
29 Jun 2024, 20:17
venkyhere wrote:
29 Jun 2024, 20:00
Luscion wrote:
29 Jun 2024, 19:21
What got his lap time deleted

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRQHIUEWAAE ... me=900x900
I dont know why people in this thread are doubting or why the protest fiasco by Mclaren is happening, if the excuse is "image is not conclusive". There might be other reasons why McLaren is protesting.

Because clearly, any human with IQ around 100 or any basic AI bot with image processing ability, should be able to spot that track limit is clearly breached.

https://i.imgur.com/ym80L0I.png
Because it has been well documented in many sports that judging curvature and line overhang from a distance and a sideways angle is patchy.

And apparently Stella and other leaders of Mclaren have an IQ of less than a hundred 🤣

If they doubt it then I feel fine about my thoughts too.
Please check the bold text that was already present in my post.
Please stop knee-jerking as soon as you glimpse instead of actually reading fully.
thestig84 wrote:
29 Jun 2024, 20:22
Add me to the IQ of less than a hundred too! Strange though as even with my low IQ I can see many flaws in drawing a perfectly square yellow box on curved object, an angled photo with perspective not considered
The yellow box is much bigger than the tyre. Stop being in denial.
Track limit was breached.
McLaren protest might be on the grounds of 'why imposing track limit when there is gravel to slow the car down anyway, we didn't gain from the breach'. There is no other logical explanation.
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To me the angles so far are not quite 100% conclusive that he's out.

There have been situations in the past when everyone was 100% convinced of a track limit violation until a certain replay could be shown

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organic wrote:
29 Jun 2024, 20:39
To me the angles so far are not quite 100% conclusive that he's out.

There have been situations in the past when everyone was 100% convinced of a track limit violation until a certain replay could be shown
Yea i dont think they'd lodge a complaint just for the hell of it, theres most likely images or video that convinces them he was in

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venkyhere wrote:
29 Jun 2024, 20:35
mwillems wrote:
29 Jun 2024, 20:17
venkyhere wrote:
29 Jun 2024, 20:00


I dont know why people in this thread are doubting or why the protest fiasco by Mclaren is happening, if the excuse is "image is not conclusive". There might be other reasons why McLaren is protesting.

Because clearly, any human with IQ around 100 or any basic AI bot with image processing ability, should be able to spot that track limit is clearly breached.

https://i.imgur.com/ym80L0I.png
Because it has been well documented in many sports that judging curvature and line overhang from a distance and a sideways angle is patchy.

And apparently Stella and other leaders of Mclaren have an IQ of less than a hundred 🤣

If they doubt it then I feel fine about my thoughts too.
Please check the bold text that was already present in my post.
Please stop knee-jerking as soon as you glimpse instead of actually reading fully.
thestig84 wrote:
29 Jun 2024, 20:22
Add me to the IQ of less than a hundred too! Strange though as even with my low IQ I can see many flaws in drawing a perfectly square yellow box on curved object, an angled photo with perspective not considered
The yellow box is much bigger than the tyre. Stop being in denial.
Track limit was breached.
McLaren protest might be on the grounds of 'why imposing track limit when there is gravel to slow the car down anyway, we didn't gain from the breach'. There is no other logical explanation.
I read fully. I think it isn't clear from those images and since I don't think that you start making remarks about my sub 100 IQ.

Here's why it is not clear. This is the same ball and point in time from different angles.


This is clearly out.
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Except it was just on the line.
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And that's why I think it is a joke that this sport can't get it's act together. It may be out, but I doubt they can tell fully from those angles. If they are going to have zones to check for infractions, they should put suitable camera into position like they do in some football matches.

Since all 4 wheels have to be out, I'm also yet to see an image of the rear left. Those are the rules. All four tyres out. I'm more frustrated at the p*ss poor way they are making the decisions if this is all the imagery there is.
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venkyhere wrote:
29 Jun 2024, 20:00
Luscion wrote:
29 Jun 2024, 19:21
What got his lap time deleted

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRQHIUEWAAE ... me=900x900
I dont know why people in this thread are doubting or why the protest fiasco by Mclaren is happening, if the excuse is "image is not conclusive". There might be other reasons why McLaren is protesting.

Because clearly, any human with IQ around 100 or any basic AI bot with image processing ability, should be able to spot that track limit is clearly breached.

https://i.imgur.com/ym80L0I.png
:lol:

New iq test dropped boys

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I didn't even want to mention that the white line they drew to illustrate the alignment was against the outer edge of the track and not the outer edge of the painted white line 😂
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https://formu1a.uno/en/mclaren-protests ... ty-doubts/

MCLAREN NOT CONVINCED THAT PIASTRI EXCEEDED TRACK LIMITS
Stella says McLaren believes the evidence does not prove that Piastri was off track.

He also recalled a clarification that arose at last year’s US GP, which stated that the evidence used has to be consistent and applicable to all cars.

“We have sought clarification,” said Stella. “In particular, we wanted to look at the evidence whereby the car was beyond the track limits, beyond any reasonable doubt. I cannot say that the beyond the reasonable doubt is satisfied.

“There’s a couple of principles. One is that the system used needs to have adequate resolution, and the second one is that the methodology used for one car needs to be applicable to all cars.

“Like if you use an helicopter view for a car, you need to use the helicopter view and it needs to be available for all cars.

“We are normally very supportive of FIA. We always recognise that everyone is trying their best. But in this case, we couldn’t agree that the car is beyond the track limit, beyond any reasonable doubt, and satisfying the two conditions I said before. So the discussion is still ongoing.”

Stella stressed that McLaren will accept any penalty where there is no doubt: “We had a case last year in Qatar when Lando was spotted beyond the track limits by the helicopter view and as clear resolution and accuracy, the car is outside, no point, thank you very much, and we move forward.

“But in this case, it’s just everything blurred, and affected by the shadow. There’s quite a lot to come here, compete, put together qualifying laps, and when the penalty is so severe, like having the lap deleted, then we need to make sure that the penalty enforced is enforced beyond any reasonable doubt.”
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