2024 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, June 28 - 30

[Sevach]

With Silverstone next we'll see the return of booing...

[dialtone]

For anyone wondering, Lando didn't correctly serve his penalty in the pits. However, it was applied at the end of the race by the stewards because he still was a classified finisher so he won't get any penalty for Silverstone. Guess Perez didn't do this as his retirement was much earlier into the Japan GP.
https://x.com/jeppe_olesen/status/18074 ... RPWRQ&s=19

This ruleset is not working. I don't know if FIA doesn't know what they are doing or what is going on. I get it can be hard to rulemake how to serve the penalty properly but these games like Perez or Lando here are a mockery of the rules.

[taperoo2k]

For anyone wondering, Lando didn't correctly serve his penalty in the pits. However, it was applied at the end of the race by the stewards because he still was a classified finisher so he won't get any penalty for Silverstone. Guess Perez didn't do this as his retirement was much earlier into the Japan GP.
https://x.com/jeppe_olesen/status/18074 ... RPWRQ&s=19

How does that work? Dont think we have seen his happen in the past. Totally negates the 3 place grid drop to next race rule.

The stewards would have taken what happened into account for the decision. I think it would have been unfair on Lando to be penalised for something that was outside of his control - not finishing the race.

As for Max? If he'd let Lando through, kept him within 5 seconds, he'd have won the race. It's what makes the whole thing so stupid.

[Spacepace]

No is talking about how after Verstappen knew he had damage he tried to run Norris off into the grass. Between T3 and T4

[renault rs26]

I wouldn't say Hamilton was acting out of anger

I don't think anyone is acting out of anger, they know it's 'cheaper' to crash into someone then to let him go because penalties are too weak.

So you believe Verstappen crashed into Norris on purpose

No. I'd say he would slightly break rules even at the cost of a crash if other driver doesn't want to yield.

[Espresso]

I wouldn't say Hamilton was acting out of anger

I don't think anyone is acting out of anger, they know it's 'cheaper' to crash into someone then to let him go because penalties are too weak.

This is Verstappens mentality in a nutshell, and no one elses.

Euh rewind back a few rounds… where verstappen took evasive action and moved to the outside. It’s just where to dogs fight for the bone the third one runs away with it.
Gave us a great spectacle.

[Tvetovnato]

I don't think anyone is acting out of anger, they know it's 'cheaper' to crash into someone then to let him go because penalties are too weak.

This is Verstappens mentality in a nutshell, and no one elses.

I would say every great champion has that mentality.

Nope. Great champions are sporting and do not cheat. Plenty of examples out there. It’s just in F1 that this was invented by some fans to protect their cheating favourite driver. Started with Schumacher, continues with Verstappen.

[renault rs26]

No one pointed out that Max kept the lead by going off the lap before. I guess that one went unpenalised?

He was pushed off with nowhere to go. Could argue Norris was ahead and had the right, but if so it was close. They decided to keep him on, could have been a 5s penalty - negating the one that Norris was also getting.

Max could have backed out and ceded the place. That is how drivers are judged now. Generally dive bombs are allowed these days as long as the overtaking car makes the corner which Norris did.

Ironically it was max himself who popularised these sorts of overtakes heavily in 2020/2021 and change the view of the stewards to allow this sort of racing.

It was Ricciardo who popularized dive bombs way before.

[Tvetovnato]

I don't think anyone is acting out of anger, they know it's 'cheaper' to crash into someone then to let him go because penalties are too weak.

This is Verstappens mentality in a nutshell, and no one elses.

Euh rewind back a few rounds… where verstappen took evasive action and moved to the outside. It’s just where to dogs fight for the bone the third one runs away with it.
Gave us a great spectacle.

There is no great spectacle in cheating in sport. It’s just bad officiating and a sour end to a grand prix today.

[renault rs26]

This is Verstappens mentality in a nutshell, and no one elses.

I would say every great champion has that mentality.

Nope. Great champions are sporting and do not cheat. Plenty of examples out there. It’s just in F1 that this was invented by some fans to protect their cheating favourite driver. Started with Schumacher, continues with Verstappen.

Senna, Schumacher, Alonso, Hamilton. Aren't they great champions? And I'm talking stricktly about F1 champions.

[DDopey]

Great perspective, thank you. He definitely moved to the right first and then left. Let's see if we'll get any form of punishment or rule modification, again.

He covered the inside then went left to get to the racing line.

And you are not allowed to do that. There is no racing line that a driver is magically entitled to regardless of his previous action.

I agree, but the 'whole' dirty max driving, dirty max tactics, are too much imo. Looking at the replay I see no deliberate action from Max. Contrair the dive bomb of Lando which was completely deliberate.

[Tvetovnato]

I would say every great champion has that mentality.

Nope. Great champions are sporting and do not cheat. Plenty of examples out there. It’s just in F1 that this was invented by some fans to protect their cheating favourite driver. Started with Schumacher, continues with Verstappen.

Senna, Schumacher, Alonso, Hamilton. Aren't they great champions? And I'm talking stricktly about F1 champions.

There is a very big difference in sporting mentality between Alonso and Hamilton on one side and Schumacher and Verstappen on the other.

[Silent Storm]

Nope. Great champions are sporting and do not cheat. Plenty of examples out there. It’s just in F1 that this was invented by some fans to protect their cheating favourite driver. Started with Schumacher, continues with Verstappen.

Senna, Schumacher, Alonso, Hamilton. Aren't they great champions? And I'm talking stricktly about F1 champions.

There is a very big difference in sporting mentality between Alonso and Hamilton on one side and Schumacher and Verstappen on the other.

Did you watch Alonso's overtake today?

[matt_b]

Have to spare a thought to Oscar today because without that deleted lap or lap one incident or maybe even the vsc he wins today

[renault rs26]

For anyone wondering, Lando didn't correctly serve his penalty in the pits. However, it was applied at the end of the race by the stewards because he still was a classified finisher so he won't get any penalty for Silverstone. Guess Perez didn't do this as his retirement was much earlier into the Japan GP.
https://x.com/jeppe_olesen/status/18074 ... RPWRQ&s=19

How does that work? Dont think we have seen his happen in the past. Totally negates the 3 place grid drop to next race rule.

The stewards would have taken what happened into account for the decision. I think it would have been unfair on Lando to be penalised for something that was outside of his control - not finishing the race.

As for Max? If he'd let Lando through, kept him within 5 seconds, he'd have won the race. It's what makes the whole thing so stupid.

No. Time penalties are applied after the race to drivers time if he doesn't pit.
When drivers retire before serving a penalty it can't be added to his time and he must serve it at the next race.
However since Norris did more than 90% of race he was classified and penalty could be added to his time.