George Russell has won the Austrian Grand Prix at the Red Bull Ring after inheriting the lead when Verstappen and Norris lots out in the battle for the lead 10 laps from the end. Piastri saved the day for McLaren in second place while Sainz completed the podium for Ferrari.
Have to spare a thought to Oscar today because without that deleted lap or lap one incident or maybe even the vsc he wins today
The race would have played out differently. Mclaren wouldn't have stopped both their cars on the same lap as Verstappen each time. There's a strong butterfly effect if Oscar started P3.
There is a very big difference in sporting mentality between Alonso and Hamilton on one side and Schumacher and Verstappen on the other.
Did you watch Alonso's overtake today?
I wouldn’t expect a supporter/defender of Max to know the difference between Alonso’s incident and Verstappen’s today. That’s why it’s all but impossible to discuss it.
That's hilarious
The cheapest sort of pride is national pride, every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud adopts, as a last resource, pride in the nation to which he belongs; thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority.
- RB20 final set up post-sprint, was faster in every corner/straight, but with no tyre life. Were Marko/Horner bluffing when they commented it was a setup change for 'race pace' ? Tyres were not even lasting the standard Pirelli-defined stint length.
- MCL38 is the absolute king of tyre life in 2024. Drop in pace towards the end of any Pirelli-defined stint length is very very less. I will go out on a limb and say that they can run races with 1 less pitstop, no need to follow the norm.
- W15 clearly the third fastest car, it's conclusive that Mercedes has leapfrogged Ferrari.
- SF-24 has sank. Unless they have some magic bullet within the Silverstone upgrades, they can count finishing higher than P7 for the rest of the season, down to luck.
Drivers :
NOR vs VER :
- as I suspected y'day, RBR going with 1M and 2H tyres was a gamble that either makes a 20s+ victory margin or barely manages to finish on the podium. The latter happened. In fact, the pitstop delay and losing the 7-8s 'buffer was down to the pressure felt by the team, from poor H tyre life and not having any fresh M for final stint.
- there is no excuse in the world that can justify VER's defense in turns 1,3,4. Members here who are trying to do so, kindly stop. You know the truth. We saw the 17yr old Max back again. This reminds me of footballer Zidane, who used to have episodes of volcanic fuse-blows without warning. People who are amazing with soaking up pressure, when the limit breaches, it can be a terrible release of rage. Gifted genius with a flawed EQ (typically a by product of bad childhood experiences)
- NOR has to hone his racecraft more. Has to realize that the fight for P1 can be far tougher than the fight for P3 or lower places. He made many attempts, but was not decisive. Yes, VER was moving under braking to block, but after 1 or 2 times, NOR should start to anticipate it better and be more decisive. But he is the guy who kept it clean in the dogfight, it wasn't as if NOR forced a collision.
PIA :
- track limits error from quali has cost him the win today. Mighty lesson on how little things can cause huge swings
RUS & SAI :
- kept their noses clean, drove a lonely race by sticking to what the car could do and not overdriving it, and got rewarded with win & podium.
This is Verstappens mentality in a nutshell, and no one elses.
I would say every great champion has that mentality.
Nope. Great champions are sporting and do not cheat. Plenty of examples out there. It’s just in F1 that this was invented by some fans to protect their cheating favourite driver. Started with Schumacher, continues with Verstappen.
Champions cheat and abuse rules all the time in just about every sport lmao. F1 is angelic compared to most other professional sports
NOR vs VER :
- there is no excuse in the world that can justify VER's defense in turns 1,3,4. Members here who are trying to do so, kindly stop. You know the truth. We saw the 17yr old Max back again. This reminds me of footballer Zidane, who used to have episodes of volcanic fuse-blows without warning. People who are amazing with soaking up pressure, when the limit breaches, it can be a terrible release of rage. Gifted genius with a flawed EQ (typically a by product of bad childhood experiences)
- NOR has to hone his racecraft more. Has to realize that the fight for P1 can be far tougher than the fight for P3 or lower places. He made many attempts, but was not decisive. Yes, VER was moving under braking to block, but after 1 or 2 times, NOR should start to anticipate it better and be more decisive. But he is the guy who kept it clean in the dogfight, it wasn't as if NOR forced a collision.
Championships aren't won by being afraid to offend the sensibilities of an audience with your driving. That applies to both drivers.
I actually thought it was hard racing by both, and the stewards did a decent job to let them settle it after both executed their grey area maneuvers. They contacted in a hard fight and it happens. Penalties were issued. We cannot change anything. It's racing.
No amount of criticism towards either driver is going to take away their talents as much as some would hope that is the case...We will have to witness their talents over and over again for the next decade most likely. Today won't change that. One may choose to insult them now, but it's meaningless. The same drivers will show up and rise and fall by their talents next weekend.
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- W15 clearly the third fastest car, it's conclusive that Mercedes has leapfrogged Ferrari.
- SF-24 has sank. Unless they have some magic bullet within the Silverstone upgrades, they can count finishing higher than P7 for the rest of the season, down to luck.
Is it that clear...?
Ferrari's 2nd driver (Sainz) finished well ahead of Mercedes' 2nd driver (Hamilton), and just 4.5 seconds shy of Mercedes' 1st driver (Russel). Same ranking as in qualifying.
Leclerc is a bit of a messy driver, but he normally has an edge over Sainz.
So, if anything, there is ground to say that Ferrari is still faster than Mercedes.
But yeah, the Ferraris should've been battling for the 1st place, not for the 3rd-4th...
- W15 clearly the third fastest car, it's conclusive that Mercedes has leapfrogged Ferrari.
- SF-24 has sank. Unless they have some magic bullet within the Silverstone upgrades, they can count finishing higher than P7 for the rest of the season, down to luck.
Is it that clear...?
Ferrari's 2nd driver (Sainz) finished well ahead of Mercedes' 2nd driver (Hamilton), and just 4.5 seconds shy of Mercedes' 1st driver (Russel). Same ranking as in qualifying.
Leclerc is a bit of a messy driver, but he normally has an edge over Sainz.
So, if anything, there is ground to say that Ferrari is still faster than Mercedes.
But yeah, the Ferraris should've been battling for the 1st place, not for the 3rd-4th...
Hamilton had 2 tenths floor damage. Slightly their own fault given the different setup on Hamilton's car but perhaps the car needed to be configured more like Russell's car and one would observe the same performance.
For anyone wondering, Lando didn't correctly serve his penalty in the pits. However, it was applied at the end of the race by the stewards because he still was a classified finisher so he won't get any penalty for Silverstone. Guess Perez didn't do this as his retirement was much earlier into the Japan GP. https://x.com/jeppe_olesen/status/18074 ... RPWRQ&s=19
Really? That was stupid of them then given that, initially, they were repairing the car (new nose and tyres) so clearly intended to rejoin the race until (according to Sky Sports) Lando said to retire the car. Probably best they did retire then or they'd have gotten another penalty for not serving the first one correctly!!
If I come across as blunt, I apologise, it's my ASD. Sometimes, like an F1 car aqua-planing, it gets out of my control.
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