I expect oscar to be right up there this weekend, the lad is brilliant in high speed cornering.
Hopefully we can sandwich max or even get in front and then control it from there.
We are probably talking around semantics. "Ceiling" is a theoretical limit which is never reached - looking at it as a parabolic curve, performance starts to tail off as the imaginary "ceiling" is approached. I used the words "coming up against" when of course it is more correct to say "approaching".mwillems wrote: ↑05 Jul 2024, 12:55We may be coming to a convengeance ceiling, but what is the evidence that stacks in the face of the same previous trend of upgrade gains being maintained?BMMR61 wrote: ↑05 Jul 2024, 10:21It's looking suspiciously like McLaren are now coming up against the "convergence ceiling". Hopefully the competitive pace achieved over this part of the season in 2023 will provide better data for setups at the circuits we are now going to. Big questions ahead now, like, did the MCL38 platform trade off much of the car's high speed competitiveness as seen by a mediocre Suzuka this year? This would be bad news for this weekend, where I'm hoping we can get both drivers on the podium. By the looks of the rear wing they brought this weekend they are targeting the high speed range - which is more than understandable. I feel reasonably confident that Silverstone will not play to Merc's and Ferrari's strengths, so.....
There's an argument that some of the gains in Miami were delayed prohects from the start of the season, but I can't see anything else.
I see convergence, with some teams ahead or behind, but no ceiling, yet.
I got what you meant by ceiling, I used you meant the curve was starting to shallow a bit.BMMR61 wrote: ↑05 Jul 2024, 13:41We are probably talking around semantics. "Ceiling" is a theoretical limit which is never reached - looking at it as a parabolic curve, performance starts to tail off as the imaginary "ceiling" is approached. I used the words "coming up against" when of course it is more correct to say "approaching".mwillems wrote: ↑05 Jul 2024, 12:55We may be coming to a convengeance ceiling, but what is the evidence that stacks in the face of the same previous trend of upgrade gains being maintained?BMMR61 wrote: ↑05 Jul 2024, 10:21It's looking suspiciously like McLaren are now coming up against the "convergence ceiling". Hopefully the competitive pace achieved over this part of the season in 2023 will provide better data for setups at the circuits we are now going to. Big questions ahead now, like, did the MCL38 platform trade off much of the car's high speed competitiveness as seen by a mediocre Suzuka this year? This would be bad news for this weekend, where I'm hoping we can get both drivers on the podium. By the looks of the rear wing they brought this weekend they are targeting the high speed range - which is more than understandable. I feel reasonably confident that Silverstone will not play to Merc's and Ferrari's strengths, so.....
There's an argument that some of the gains in Miami were delayed prohects from the start of the season, but I can't see anything else.
I see convergence, with some teams ahead or behind, but no ceiling, yet.
I know Stella used the term "delayed projects" before the season fully kicked off, I would assume that the massive upgrade for Miami was just that. Anyway, the general flow of all the teams tends to hide the actual progress they make as there can be no benchmark other than how much gain a team made relative to that circuit last year given similar conditions. McLaren by this measure continue to be the winner though we are now at the tracks of the MCL60B. I think we're going to see how the step to an "all rounder" has or hasn't affected the high speed aero efficiency. For those sentiments I'm pleased to see the rear wing and beam wing options the team have brought.
LionsHeart wrote: ↑05 Jul 2024, 15:25Even though it's the first practice, it's good to see McLaren's high top speed.
https://i.ibb.co/FwnbFts/9-FD57056-9387 ... 2-A4-D.jpg
Yeah, I saw that table.Tomsky wrote: ↑05 Jul 2024, 15:54LionsHeart wrote: ↑05 Jul 2024, 15:25Even though it's the first practice, it's good to see McLaren's high top speed.
https://i.ibb.co/FwnbFts/9-FD57056-9387 ... 2-A4-D.jpg
But the screenshot you posted was 236 kph?LionsHeart wrote: ↑05 Jul 2024, 16:00Yeah, I saw that table.Tomsky wrote: ↑05 Jul 2024, 15:54LionsHeart wrote: ↑05 Jul 2024, 15:25Even though it's the first practice, it's good to see McLaren's high top speed.
https://i.ibb.co/FwnbFts/9-FD57056-9387 ... 2-A4-D.jpg