2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[yooogurt]

Everyone considers the chief strategist of the RB Hanna as a benchmark, but can you explain why Perez was dressed in the interes as well as Charles?

[yooogurt]

And Charles' pace was dropping very badly, I'm not sure that he would have been able to stand up before the real charge of rain, the lack of practice and sacrifice for the greater good. I hope the team really realized what the problem was and they will fix it after the break.

[jambuka]

Everyone considers the chief strategist of the RB Hanna as a benchmark, but can you explain why Perez was dressed in the interes as well as Charles?

Perez started from pit lane. Leclerc started P11. It was worth for perez to take the gamble. Lec was p7 when he pitted and perez was p16. None of the the p1-p6 or p8-p15 pitted. it was a stupid call, whoever is to blame.

[jambuka]

Current state of Scuderia Team

* Updates made them slow.
* Cardille leaving
* Newey watching everything, wondering probably if its worth joining the team if no departments work in harmony.
* Lead driver/future seems to be mentally broken.
* HAM probably also starting to think if he made the right call.
* 2 other teams seemed to have caught up to Red Bull in terms of pure performance.

[yooogurt]

Perez started from pit lane. Leclerc started P11. It was worth for perez to take the gamble. Lec was p7 when he pitted and perez was p16. None of the the p1-p6 or p8-p15 pitted. it was a stupid call, whoever is to blame.

Of course it was a wrong call, but when at exactly the same moment the same mistake is made by the team that everyone puts in the standards of tactics, maybe not everything is so clear?

[Xyz22]

Perez started from pit lane. Leclerc started P11. It was worth for perez to take the gamble. Lec was p7 when he pitted and perez was p16. None of the the p1-p6 or p8-p15 pitted. it was a stupid call, whoever is to blame.

Of course it was a wrong call, but when at exactly the same moment the same mistake is made by the team that everyone puts in the standards of tactics, maybe not everything is so clear?

Perez had awful overall pace in any case. He would have never finished in the points. They simply made a huge gamble in the case they weather predictions were wrong.

[yooogurt]

* Updates made them slow.

Updates make them fast but hard to drive especially at a track like Silviervierstone.
In Hungary there will be no Imola package, the cars will have to be faster with the Barcelona version, but then in Spa we will probably suffer with the Imola package again.

[stonehenge]

Perez started from pit lane. Leclerc started P11. It was worth for perez to take the gamble. Lec was p7 when he pitted and perez was p16. None of the the p1-p6 or p8-p15 pitted. it was a stupid call, whoever is to blame.

Of course it was a wrong call, but when at exactly the same moment the same mistake is made by the team that everyone puts in the standards of tactics, maybe not everything is so clear?

I think the point that jambuka was making is that Red Bull didn’t really have anything to lose with Perez, and they could also use his data to help inform when Verstappen should pit, which may even have worked out because Verstappen pitted a lap before the leaders and that pretty much saved his race. Ferrari was fighting for good points with Leclerc and gambled it away in hopes of some miracle, which wouldn’t have gotten them a podium anyway.

[JPower]

Leclerc doesn't have a weather radar in his car. The team does. The team told him the weather was about to get worse. So of course that's going to make it sound like wets are the way to go. Drivers cant make good decisions with bad information.

He has the same info as everyone else. His teammate was given the same call. Leclerc's tires were falling off a cliff which likely influenced his decision.

I watched both their onboards. Sainz was told it was nothing to worry about and it was mild meanwhile Charles was told intense rain next lap. That is evidently not the same info.

No, Sainz was not told it was nothing to worry about. Adami clearly told him rain in sector 3 and then the conversation went to some type of color rating system for rain intensity or track wetness across different parts of the track.

The rating system is pretty interesting tbh. Pretty impressed with their teamwork there. Hamilton shouldn't have anything to worry about with Adami IMO.

[yooogurt]

Perez had awful overall pace in any case. He would have never finished in the points. They simply made a huge gamble in the case they weather predictions were wrong.

I haven't watched the lap times yet, but Charles' pace was bad too, he was falling away from Carlos after overtaking Stroll, and I read that after the first rain charge the pace got really terrible.

[yooogurt]

I think the point that jambuka was making is that Red Bull didn’t really have anything to lose with Perez, and they could also use his data to help inform when Verstappen should pit, which may even have worked out because Verstappen pitted a lap before the leaders and that pretty much saved his race. Ferrari was fighting for good points with Leclerc and gambled it away in hopes of some miracle, which wouldn’t have gotten them a podium anyway.

They don't need a date when three pilots are already wearing the inters. It was a risky decision that clearly wasn't all that clear cut to begin with.
And Charles didn't have much to lose, because he was already a point disadvantage to his competitors.

[Xyz22]

Perez had awful overall pace in any case. He would have never finished in the points. They simply made a huge gamble in the case they weather predictions were wrong.

I haven't watched the lap times yet, but Charles' pace was bad too, he was falling away from Carlos after overtaking Stroll, and I read that after the first rain charge the pace got really terrible.

Yeah, Leclerc was struggling a lot when the rain started, but it was still enough to stay close to P7 (P6 without George). This is why Leclerc didn't oppose firmly to this strategic call.

With Perez was just a massive gamble.
Perez was massively slower than Leclerc in all conditions, minus a few laps with inters because he changed them later. He was super, super slow.

[yooogurt]

Yeah, Leclerc was struggling a lot when the rain started, but it was still enough to stay close to P7 (P6 without George). This is why Leclerc didn't oppose firmly to this strategic call.

With Perez was just a massive gamble.
Perez was massively slower than Leclerc in all conditions, minus a few laps with inters because he changed them later. He was super, super slow.

But still, we do not consider RB strategists fools, that they did not see the rain and decided to dress him in inters? Post factum, yes, that decision was bad, but it's strange that two top teams make such a mistake, it doesn't look like a simple mistake to me.

[Xyz22]

Yeah, Leclerc was struggling a lot when the rain started, but it was still enough to stay close to P7 (P6 without George). This is why Leclerc didn't oppose firmly to this strategic call.

With Perez was just a massive gamble.
Perez was massively slower than Leclerc in all conditions, minus a few laps with inters because he changed them later. He was super, super slow.

But still, we do not consider RB strategists fools, that they did not see the rain and decided to dress him in inters? Post factum, yes, that decision was bad, but it's strange that two top teams make such a mistake, it doesn't look like a simple mistake to me.

It was just a pure gamble by RB on Perez (his race was already over) which also allowed them to gather data for Max.

[jambuka]

I think the point that jambuka was making is that Red Bull didn’t really have anything to lose with Perez, and they could also use his data to help inform when Verstappen should pit, which may even have worked out because Verstappen pitted a lap before the leaders and that pretty much saved his race. Ferrari was fighting for good points with Leclerc and gambled it away in hopes of some miracle, which wouldn’t have gotten them a podium anyway.

They don't need a date when three pilots are already wearing the inters. It was a risky decision that clearly wasn't all that clear cut to begin with.
And Charles didn't have much to lose, because he was already a point disadvantage to his competitors.

The three other drivers were ZHO, OCO and PER. Yeah ferrari should start following Alpine & Sauber strategy i guess.