Perez started from pit lane. Leclerc started P11. It was worth for perez to take the gamble. Lec was p7 when he pitted and perez was p16. None of the the p1-p6 or p8-p15 pitted. it was a stupid call, whoever is to blame.
Of course it was a wrong call, but when at exactly the same moment the same mistake is made by the team that everyone puts in the standards of tactics, maybe not everything is so clear?
Perez had awful overall pace in any case. He would have never finished in the points. They simply made a huge gamble in the case they weather predictions were wrong.
Updates make them fast but hard to drive especially at a track like Silviervierstone.
I think the point that jambuka was making is that Red Bull didn’t really have anything to lose with Perez, and they could also use his data to help inform when Verstappen should pit, which may even have worked out because Verstappen pitted a lap before the leaders and that pretty much saved his race. Ferrari was fighting for good points with Leclerc and gambled it away in hopes of some miracle, which wouldn’t have gotten them a podium anyway.
No, Sainz was not told it was nothing to worry about. Adami clearly told him rain in sector 3 and then the conversation went to some type of color rating system for rain intensity or track wetness across different parts of the track.SoulPancake13 wrote: ↑07 Jul 2024, 20:17I watched both their onboards. Sainz was told it was nothing to worry about and it was mild meanwhile Charles was told intense rain next lap. That is evidently not the same info.
I haven't watched the lap times yet, but Charles' pace was bad too, he was falling away from Carlos after overtaking Stroll, and I read that after the first rain charge the pace got really terrible.
They don't need a date when three pilots are already wearing the inters. It was a risky decision that clearly wasn't all that clear cut to begin with.stonehenge wrote: ↑07 Jul 2024, 21:02I think the point that jambuka was making is that Red Bull didn’t really have anything to lose with Perez, and they could also use his data to help inform when Verstappen should pit, which may even have worked out because Verstappen pitted a lap before the leaders and that pretty much saved his race. Ferrari was fighting for good points with Leclerc and gambled it away in hopes of some miracle, which wouldn’t have gotten them a podium anyway.
Yeah, Leclerc was struggling a lot when the rain started, but it was still enough to stay close to P7 (P6 without George). This is why Leclerc didn't oppose firmly to this strategic call.
But still, we do not consider RB strategists fools, that they did not see the rain and decided to dress him in inters? Post factum, yes, that decision was bad, but it's strange that two top teams make such a mistake, it doesn't look like a simple mistake to me.Xyz22 wrote: ↑07 Jul 2024, 21:09Yeah, Leclerc was struggling a lot when the rain started, but it was still enough to stay close to P7 (P6 without George). This is why Leclerc didn't oppose firmly to this strategic call.
With Perez was just a massive gamble.
Perez was massively slower than Leclerc in all conditions, minus a few laps with inters because he changed them later. He was super, super slow.
It was just a pure gamble by RB on Perez (his race was already over) which also allowed them to gather data for Max.yooogurt wrote: ↑07 Jul 2024, 21:19But still, we do not consider RB strategists fools, that they did not see the rain and decided to dress him in inters? Post factum, yes, that decision was bad, but it's strange that two top teams make such a mistake, it doesn't look like a simple mistake to me.Xyz22 wrote: ↑07 Jul 2024, 21:09Yeah, Leclerc was struggling a lot when the rain started, but it was still enough to stay close to P7 (P6 without George). This is why Leclerc didn't oppose firmly to this strategic call.
With Perez was just a massive gamble.
Perez was massively slower than Leclerc in all conditions, minus a few laps with inters because he changed them later. He was super, super slow.
The three other drivers were ZHO, OCO and PER. Yeah ferrari should start following Alpine & Sauber strategy i guess.yooogurt wrote: ↑07 Jul 2024, 21:08They don't need a date when three pilots are already wearing the inters. It was a risky decision that clearly wasn't all that clear cut to begin with.stonehenge wrote: ↑07 Jul 2024, 21:02I think the point that jambuka was making is that Red Bull didn’t really have anything to lose with Perez, and they could also use his data to help inform when Verstappen should pit, which may even have worked out because Verstappen pitted a lap before the leaders and that pretty much saved his race. Ferrari was fighting for good points with Leclerc and gambled it away in hopes of some miracle, which wouldn’t have gotten them a podium anyway.
And Charles didn't have much to lose, because he was already a point disadvantage to his competitors.