2024 Mclaren Formula 1 Team

[venkyhere]

The flexing wings are a gimmick at best and I don't see how it can help in any way apart from drag reduction down the straights.

At medium and high speeds, by deflecting, the AoA of front wings is reduced - which dials back too-much-front-wheel-bite at high speeds (the same AoA as you see in pitbox pics, at high speeds, will mean terribly high front end grip) and prevents the aero grip balance from going too-oversteery in medium and high speed corners. In slow corners, where speeds are lesser, the front wings are very nearly having the same AoA as they show in the pitbox pics, which is fine, as it defines the right amount of front downforce and keeps the aero-balance as intended, to rotate the car faster.
In other words, flexi front wings are a dynamic 'aero-balance-adjust' for the car, helping beautifully in slow/med/fast corners by shifting the balance a bit rearwards for high speed and shifting the balance a bit forwards for low speed corners. Which is what the doctor ordered.

[Emag]

The flexing wings are a gimmick at best and I don't see how it can help in any way apart from drag reduction down the straights.

At medium and high speeds, by deflecting, the AoA of front wings is reduced - which dials back too-much-front-wheel-bite at high speeds (the same AoA as you see in pitbox pics, at high speeds, will mean terribly high front end grip) and prevents the aero grip balance from going too-oversteery in medium and high speed corners. In slow corners, where speeds are lesser, the front wings are very nearly having the same AoA as they show in the pitbox pics, which is fine, as it defines the right amount of front downforce and keeps the aero-balance as intended, to rotate the car faster.
In other words, flexi front wings are a dynamic 'aero-balance-adjust' for the car, helping beautifully in slow/med/fast corners by shifting the balance a bit rearwards for high speed and shifting the balance a bit forwards for low speed corners. Which is what the doctor ordered.

Except that each track has a combination of corners which are taken at different speeds. Do you construct a new front wing which physically bends at different speeds to accommodate the track characteristics?

Rather stupid dont you think, especially considering the budget cap.

People like to blow things out of proportion. Things are both much more complex and at the same time much simpler than they seem.

Engineering a front wing which specifically bends the precise amount needed to have a near perfect balance throughout the whole track is just ridiculous honestly. Whats the point of even suggesting active aero if that was possible of achieving at this level.

It was the same discussion at the McLaren car thread about a thin piece of metal wiring connected to the exhaust theoretically being used to utilize the heat from exhausts to expand the diffuser.

Sci-fi talk.

But then again, open discussions are whats the forum is about.

I still hope they clamp down on flex allowances. People will see the pecking order will have no changes and we will move on from this topic and start talking about something else.

[mclaren111]

Let's Go Lando & Oscar !!!!!!!!!!

[MrGapes]

Apparently something off with Lando's throttle pedal to the grid hopefully its good by the start.

[venkyhere]

The flexing wings are a gimmick at best and I don't see how it can help in any way apart from drag reduction down the straights.

At medium and high speeds, by deflecting, the AoA of front wings is reduced - which dials back too-much-front-wheel-bite at high speeds (the same AoA as you see in pitbox pics, at high speeds, will mean terribly high front end grip) and prevents the aero grip balance from going too-oversteery in medium and high speed corners. In slow corners, where speeds are lesser, the front wings are very nearly having the same AoA as they show in the pitbox pics, which is fine, as it defines the right amount of front downforce and keeps the aero-balance as intended, to rotate the car faster.
In other words, flexi front wings are a dynamic 'aero-balance-adjust' for the car, helping beautifully in slow/med/fast corners by shifting the balance a bit rearwards for high speed and shifting the balance a bit forwards for low speed corners. Which is what the doctor ordered.

Except that each track has a combination of corners which are taken at different speeds. Do you construct a new front wing which physically bends at different speeds to accommodate the track characteristics?

Rather stupid dont you think, especially considering the budget cap.

People like to blow things out of proportion. Things are both much more complex and at the same time much simpler than they seem.

Engineering a front wing which specifically bends the precise amount needed to have a near perfect balance throughout the whole track is just ridiculous honestly. Whats the point of even suggesting active aero if that was possible of achieving at this level.

There is no need to 'construct a front wing for each track' to adjust to the different cornering speeds.

There is a device which can 'fine-tune' the grip demanded by the car specific to the speed (and physical grip differences, based on tyre compound, tyre age etc) of each corner by sharpening the usage of the flexi wing. That device is called 'the driver', who can control the amount of weight shift longitudinally and laterally for every single corner, with his hands and feet.
The flexi wing is specifically designed to flex, it's no accident. It's cleverness. It offers 'coarse adjust' of the car's balance, the driver provides the 'fine adjust'.

[Emag]

At medium and high speeds, by deflecting, the AoA of front wings is reduced - which dials back too-much-front-wheel-bite at high speeds (the same AoA as you see in pitbox pics, at high speeds, will mean terribly high front end grip) and prevents the aero grip balance from going too-oversteery in medium and high speed corners. In slow corners, where speeds are lesser, the front wings are very nearly having the same AoA as they show in the pitbox pics, which is fine, as it defines the right amount of front downforce and keeps the aero-balance as intended, to rotate the car faster.
In other words, flexi front wings are a dynamic 'aero-balance-adjust' for the car, helping beautifully in slow/med/fast corners by shifting the balance a bit rearwards for high speed and shifting the balance a bit forwards for low speed corners. Which is what the doctor ordered.

Except that each track has a combination of corners which are taken at different speeds. Do you construct a new front wing which physically bends at different speeds to accommodate the track characteristics?

Rather stupid dont you think, especially considering the budget cap.

People like to blow things out of proportion. Things are both much more complex and at the same time much simpler than they seem.

Engineering a front wing which specifically bends the precise amount needed to have a near perfect balance throughout the whole track is just ridiculous honestly. Whats the point of even suggesting active aero if that was possible of achieving at this level.

There is no need to 'construct a front wing for each track' to adjust to the different cornering speeds.

There is a device which can 'fine-tune' the grip demanded by the car specific to the speed (and physical grip differences, based on tyre compound, tyre age etc) of each corner by sharpening the usage of the flexi wing. That device is called 'the driver', who can control the amount of weight shift longitudinally and laterally for every single corner, with his hands and feet.
The flexi wing is specifically designed to flex, it's no accident. It's cleverness. It offers 'coarse adjust' of the car's balance, the driver provides the 'fine adjust'.

You missed my point. On a slow-medium speed track, a flexing front wing has no effect towards what you claim. Coincidentally, Hungary and Monaco which are both tracks with plenty of such corners were both tracks where McLaren has performed really well.

The only place where it would help is drag on the straight line.

You would need to design a front wing with a much lower flexing threshold to hold the same effect here compared to a fast track like Silverstone.

Unless its purpose is not to be a variable balance shifter as some people are suggesting

[Emag]

At medium and high speeds, by deflecting, the AoA of front wings is reduced - which dials back too-much-front-wheel-bite at high speeds (the same AoA as you see in pitbox pics, at high speeds, will mean terribly high front end grip) and prevents the aero grip balance from going too-oversteery in medium and high speed corners. In slow corners, where speeds are lesser, the front wings are very nearly having the same AoA as they show in the pitbox pics, which is fine, as it defines the right amount of front downforce and keeps the aero-balance as intended, to rotate the car faster.
In other words, flexi front wings are a dynamic 'aero-balance-adjust' for the car, helping beautifully in slow/med/fast corners by shifting the balance a bit rearwards for high speed and shifting the balance a bit forwards for low speed corners. Which is what the doctor ordered.

Except that each track has a combination of corners which are taken at different speeds. Do you construct a new front wing which physically bends at different speeds to accommodate the track characteristics?

Rather stupid dont you think, especially considering the budget cap.

People like to blow things out of proportion. Things are both much more complex and at the same time much simpler than they seem.

Engineering a front wing which specifically bends the precise amount needed to have a near perfect balance throughout the whole track is just ridiculous honestly. Whats the point of even suggesting active aero if that was possible of achieving at this level.

There is no need to 'construct a front wing for each track' to adjust to the different cornering speeds.

There is a device which can 'fine-tune' the grip demanded by the car specific to the speed (and physical grip differences, based on tyre compound, tyre age etc) of each corner by sharpening the usage of the flexi wing. That device is called 'the driver', who can control the amount of weight shift longitudinally and laterally for every single corner, with his hands and feet.
The flexi wing is specifically designed to flex, it's no accident. It's cleverness. It offers 'coarse adjust' of the car's balance, the driver provides the 'fine adjust'.

You missed my point. On a slow-medium speed track, a flexing front wing has no effect towards what you claim. Coincidentally, Hungary and Monaco which are both tracks with plenty of such corners were both tracks where McLaren has performed really well.

The only place where it would help is drag on the straight line.

You would need to design a front wing with a much lower flexing threshold to hold the same effect here compared to a fast track like Silverstone.

Unless its purpose is not to be a variable balance shifter as some people are suggesting

[Lucky]

[CjC]

Apparently something off with Lando's throttle pedal to the grid hopefully its good by the start.

Wouldn’t be surprised if he has a *hit launch now

[Lucky]

They can't work without problems.

[Darth-Piekus]

First order of business is have both cars in front of Max at the first turn and then both drivers must play the team game. Let's go Mclaren.

[Ir3NiCuS]

I don't understand this call from RBR but good for us

[FittingMechanics]

I don't understand this call from RBR but good for us

He would have got 5 second penalty.

[Ir3NiCuS]

I don't understand this call from RBR but good for us

He would have got 5 second penalty.

Typical 1st corner situation I doubt he would have got a penalty

So far Piastri's pace super good

[Ben1980]

Max was getting a penalty. Pretty clear. The issue will be RBR now have tyre offset.

Going to be tight all race.