hollus wrote: ↑21 Jul 2024, 22:08
Chris33, after repeating like 20 times what you think HAM (potentially) did wrong...
It would be refreshing to hear you enumerate what Max (potentially) did wrong.
Because just repeating the same thing over and over again would be spam. What exactly is that line of discussion supposed to achieve, what is the end game? Everyone bending over and blaming Hamilton?
Note: I added "(potentially)" because I am still to see telemetry clearly showing Ham first braking then turning, as opposite to first turning a tiny bit and then braking, which is a MAX move "braking in a straight line". I am open to believing it when I see something clear saying that braking happened before turning.
I guess you mean me....not that I am chris33 for a start
I think I explained it enough. Pointless going round in circles as your clearly on a "mod mode" there so even if I do elaborate - you will only dish out warnings for 'spamming/trolling a point'. Lets face it, my posts weren't exactly all about the same thing, and any point countered by other users has been made with videos to back up my point.
Both did slightly wrong, I believe the situation was escalated by Lewis moving over under the braking. Had that not happened then Max
may not have locked up. But pointless dealing in hypotheticals. As the point just goes round and round.
If Lewis had stayed on his normal line for entry into the corner, then most likely/potentially, Max could have stopped the car and made the corner normally. That would have been no different to his position when he overtook Charles earlier in the race. Max braked in the same spot when he overtook Charles than when he did with Lewis.
hollus wrote: ↑21 Jul 2024, 22:11
I'd also like to add a philosophical point, as a member, not as a mod:
Max's plan for the corner was clearly to brake very late, be ahead at the apex and thus gain rights by being ahead at the apex. The result of trying to gain rights at the apex was a collision... before the apex. Which makes the whole point a bit meta.
Telemetry, as you ask for is as follows for Max on Laps 61,62 and 63. All with DRS. There was no overspeeding into the corner, braking was probably fractionally later, not very late as you suggest, but thats probably countered by staying in a lower gear with the engine braking, and/or deployment/regenerative strategies to assist slowing down, possibly. (given engine braking will be higher in a lower gear) What the scaling in terms of distance travelled on the telemetry I dont know. It wont be far though. FYI - Lewis braked later than Max on Lap 63 (see telemetry at bottom of post)
Of course, we never get steering angle traces, unless someone is mightily clever to overlay the telemetry with the onboard footage.
Was it a late send? Most probably.
Was it a 'red mist' move? Probably
Most ideal situation for Max making a all or nothing move? Absolutely not. Plenty laps left with a tyre delta
Was there moving under braking? Yep, overhead footage shows it - despite the stewards somehow agreeing with Lewis and his previous consistent lines through T1
Could Lewis have done more to avoid a collision? Yeah, a little bit, as the stewards said.
Was Lewis' line consistent with previous laps? Nope. AR3 made a good post showing it was completly different. As did I explaining the movement as certain braking marker boards.
Is the stewards report contain a few errors? I believe so
There was a few people who were 'sticking up' for Max (used lightly). TFSA, AR3, Me, and Dialtone
et al from memory who all made very good points backed up with evidence.
That's all I have to add - Hopefully this answers to your 'mod hat' post (being in Italics like you normally do). Anything else feel free to PM me as I feel you 'have it out' for anyone making decent posts explaining their opinion on the incident. And that will only end in posts being removed and warnings issued for 'repeating the same and spamming'.
