2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[Dunlay]

Yeah this is really, really bad.

Something has gone wrong, for sure. The fact that Perez was so much closer to Max than usual probabaly means the upgrade package didn't really work at all.

Depends on how you look at it. If you take into account Verstappen is leaving then upgrading your car to be more suitable for Perez (or in general a broeder range of drivers) makes a lot of sense to me.

This doesn't make a lot of sense. Betting on Perez long term doesn't seem a very good strategy.

What is happening with Red Bull, Aston Martin, Ferrari and Mercedes to an extent is that they are seeing significant improvements in CFD, Wind Tunnel and in the Simulator but not so much in the track.

Many team engineers have said that in these regulations, it's been the hardest to get upgrades working.

[ali623]

McLaren were only slightly quicker than Max was in the race last year - and Max would have been about the same as last year had he been in clear air this race. Are the front-runners hitting the performance ceiling with these regulations?

Will be very interesting if McLaren's next major upgrade brings them another clear step or if they similarly run into trouble as Red Bull seems to have.

[Xyz22]

Depends on how you look at it. If you take into account Verstappen is leaving then upgrading your car to be more suitable for Perez (or in general a broeder range of drivers) makes a lot of sense to me.

This doesn't make a lot of sense. Betting on Perez long term doesn't seem a very good strategy.

What is happening with Red Bull, Aston Martin, Ferrari and Mercedes to an extent is that they are seeing significant improvements in CFD, Wind Tunnel and in the Simulator but not so much in the track.

Many team engineers have said that in these regulations, it's been the hardest to get upgrades working.

Yup. This is also why what McLaren has done is actually insane. Every time they brought an upgrade, they improved the car significantly, sometimes even more than what they saw in the factory, according to some reports.

[Gillian]

Yeah this is really, really bad.

Something has gone wrong, for sure. The fact that Perez was so much closer to Max than usual probabaly means the upgrade package didn't really work at all.

Depends on how you look at it. If you take into account Verstappen is leaving then upgrading your car to be more suitable for Perez (or in general a broeder range of drivers) makes a lot of sense to me.

This doesn't make a lot of sense. Betting on Perez long term doesn't seem a very good strategy.

What is happening with Red Bull, Aston Martin, Ferrari and Mercedes to an extent is that they are seeing significant improvements in CFD, Wind Tunnel and in the Simulator but not so much in the track.

They are not betting on Perez, but aiming to have a car suitable for a broader range of drivers. Sainz is available and happens to be another driver that prefers a slightly understeering car, not dissimilar to Perez.

[Gillian]

Jeopardize this year's title because Verstappen would be leaving next year...?? That's just silly.

Jeopardize? Verstappen is still on for the title if he just keeps a cool head. Could have been a P3 last race...

[PierreW]

Jeopardize this year's title because Verstappen would be leaving next year...?? That's just silly.

Jeopardize? Verstappen is still on for the title if he just keeps a cool head. Could have been a P3 last race...

Only with another strategy. He was not passing Hamilton as proved by the dozen of laps done in his DRS range.

[f1isgood]

McLaren were only slightly quicker than Max was in the race last year - and Max would have been about the same as last year had he been in clear air this race. Are the front-runners hitting the performance ceiling with these regulations?

Will be very interesting if McLaren's next major upgrade brings them another clear step or if they similarly run into trouble as Red Bull seems to have.

Finally, some numbers. Damn my suspicion is turning out to be true. The RB19 was probably peaked too early. The only difference is this year the cars have better quali performance and yet the McLarens being more than 1s quick in qualifying barely matched RB19 in the race.

This is a funny trend from a technical point of view. Does adding pure performance place a limit on what you can do in terms of race trim? I kind of felt it at Bahrain already where I felt everyone seemed too bunched up.

[f1isgood]

Jeopardize this year's title because Verstappen would be leaving next year...?? That's just silly.

Jeopardize? Verstappen is still on for the title if he just keeps a cool head. Could have been a P3 last race...

Only with another strategy. He was not passing Hamilton as proved by the dozen of laps done in his DRS range.

P4 is better than P5 by the way. Every point will count with a slower car.

[f1isgood]

On the entire Verstappen strategy saga, Max has always remained an aggressive driver and it is part of why I like him. But he seems to be generally too frustrated and flustered this year. He should just keep doing what he can without letting things get to him and let the team do what they can.

Too many complaints and too much criticism. Yes, no one is perfect but he is also not perfect this year. He has already done more errors that he did in 2021 as far as I am concerned.

[f1isgood]

Strange that Red Bull got nerfed at the same time that McLaren brought a defacto 2.0 car in Miami.
Similar happened to other teams (Ferrari) who no longer can fight with McLaren.
Also strange that Mercedes gained performance later on (maybe unnerf?).

I am not serious, I am just trying to make a point that a simpler explanation is that McLaren brought a better car in Miami and that exposed Red Bull weaknesses. Without McLaren, you would have had a winning Red Bull in many races after Miami with Mercedes winning in a rain affected Silverstone.

Miami - VER P1
Imola - VER P1
Monaco - VER P4
Canada - VER P1
Spain - VER P1
Austria - VER P1
Silverstone - VER P2
Hungary - VER P1

There was no nerf. McLaren just brought a great car and started to challenge.

Perez, you forget Perez.

Perez performance dropped like a stone when the Red Bull car went backward. Before that, he was performing very well.

Perez always show what the car can do with an average driver.

Verstappen is doing miracles with this car curretnly.

Perez is always bad in tracks that have some real corners. The only corners he's good at are stop and start corners. He is basically a dummy at this point.

[TeamKoolGreen]

Jeopardize this year's title because Verstappen would be leaving next year...?? That's just silly.

Jeopardize? Verstappen is still on for the title if he just keeps a cool head. Could have been a P3 last race...

Max is allowed to make one mistake every 2 years.

[Sergej]

Still a bit early, but at the moment weather forecast looks awful for Friday and Saturday

[K1Plus]

Still a bit early, but at the moment weather forecast looks awful for Friday and Saturday

And the car is supposedly better in hot conditions.
What's funny is the top three teams have different temperature windows they can handle.

McLaren is able to adapt to any weather.
Mercedes loves it cold, I think they might have a shot. Also reduced a lot of drag compared to W13 and W14. They are now also finally quick in high speed corners after struggling with the initial spec of the W15. The car is easy to drive.

Red Bull loves it hot and dry, and is generally the best on the hardest compound available that week.

[Sergej]

[Curbstone]

Jeopardize this year's title because Verstappen would be leaving next year...?? That's just silly.

Jeopardize? Verstappen is still on for the title if he just keeps a cool head. Could have been a P3 last race...

P3's won't be enough to win the championship...

And how do you expect a driver to keep a cool head when the team basically stops listening to the preference of him, while he is the championship leader?